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Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by echelon on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:49PM (#38578366)
I've memorized the Getty image and could reproduce it for you. Should I be lobotomized?

I think we need an entirely new approach to copyright. You can't copyright a brain, and weights are closer to that than they are pirated digital archives.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by wokwokwok on Saturday December 09, 2023 @12:02AM (#38578768)
I’m not speculating about that.

I’m saying; if you’re covering a court case, don’t go off on a tangent and start saying things which are misleading or false with regard to the case.

> I think…

This is precisely my point. Most people don’t care what I think; or, you, or the OP on this topic.

Opinions are thick and fast.

What people care about is what the court rules.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by surfacedetail on Saturday December 09, 2023 @05:12AM (#38580479)
>I’m saying; if you’re covering a court case, don’t go off on a tangent and start saying things which are misleading or false with regard to the case.

This adds the caveat "as far as I can tell". That's a caveat that the capability to produce Getty outputs has been removed, it can be tested and amended if new information comes to light.

>What people care about is what the court rules.

Courts also rely on experts and expert testimony, the judge here is even citing a law professor's opinion. The idea that judges never rely on legal experts and commentators is strange.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by nitwit005 on Saturday December 09, 2023 @12:00AM (#38578753)
The complaint is not about pure storage/memorization.

If it produced images identical or highly similar to the copyrighted work, it would be similar to you making a copy and giving it to someone without paying royalties.

The article also shows an example of it reproducing their trademark.

Edit: Rephrased to be more clear.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by kevingadd on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:58PM (#38578418)
Stable Diffusion isn't a human being. It's not even sentient. It's a system designed to synthesize images, and it was trained using images authored by human beings - without the rightsholders' consent. This has nothing to do with lobotomies. You have rights as a human that a piece of software does not have.

I don't understand why I keep seeing people roll stuff out like 'should I be lobotomized' as some sort of attempt to distract from this just being a dispute over copyright minimalism/maximalism.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by artninja1988 on Friday December 08, 2023 @11:20PM (#38578541)
And the people training stabile diffusion shouldn't need the authors consent to train on their works.
Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by monocasa on Friday December 08, 2023 @11:59PM (#38578749)
Copyright has always made a distinction between the copies you make in a person's head and the copies you make into another work generated by a person.
Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by interpol_p on Saturday December 09, 2023 @01:43AM (#38579292)
It's not a brain. It's more like a very esoteric zip file which can extract a "lossy" version of the copyright material it was trained on, and reproduce that in an uncountable number of combinations that are meaningful to humans
Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by visarga on Saturday December 09, 2023 @02:01AM (#38579375)
> reproduce that in an uncountable number of combinations that are meaningful to humans

Then it is creative. It is doing meaningful work on top of the basic facts it learned. The facts and the style can't be copyrighted.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by raincole on Saturday December 09, 2023 @05:41AM (#38580656)
> I've memorized the Getty image and could reproduce it for you. Should I be lobotomized?

Can I download you via a URL?

If not this analogy is completely meaningless. You and stable diffusion are just too different.

Re:High Court rules that Getty vs. Stability AI case can pro... by echelon on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:32AM (#38583250)
> Can I download you via a URL?

You can download an LLM trained on my writings. And I have a speech model, too.

It won't be much longer until we have brain scans of people that are turned into some form of generative system.