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Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by rayiner on Friday December 08, 2023 @12:41PM (#38571762)
> whether a call to genocide was considered bullying and harassment according to the respective universities' codes of conduct. That's a factual question that has an objective answer, which they gave multiple times: it depends if it's pervasive and severe.

Are you seriously claiming that, if students had made similar statements about any other group of people (except maybe whites), these universities would be asking “well, but is it pervasive and severe?”

Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by CogitoCogito on Friday December 08, 2023 @01:11PM (#38572137)
Do you have specific examples of the universities in question acting in contradiction to these statements or are you just supposing they would? If you have specific examples, it would be interesting to compare the universities' response.
Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by RestlessMind on Friday December 08, 2023 @02:28PM (#38573087)
Here you go: "Harvard gets worst score ever in FIRE’s College Free Speech Rankings" - https://www.thefire.org/news/harvard-gets-worst-score-ever-f...

Many examples there, like: "From 2019 to this year, Harvard sanctioned four scholars, three of whom it terminated." or "In 2020, Harvard revoked conservative student activist Kyle Kashuv’s acceptance over comments he made on social media as a 16-year-old, for which he had since apologized. "

Some other colleges as well:

Yale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Christakis#Yale_Hallo...

Stanford: https://stanforddaily.com/2023/04/05/judge-duncan-stanford-l...

Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by biimugan on Friday December 08, 2023 @04:58PM (#38575134)
There are hundreds and thousands of students and faculty in the U.S. I'm sorry, but a handful of examples is not really particularly convincing.

The survey results are interesting, but I think contradict the point you're trying to make in many cases. For example, the survey showed students felt less comfortable discussing abortion. An odd result if the claim is there's some kind of liberal oligarchy that's selectively punishing conservative speech.

Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by RestlessMind on Saturday December 09, 2023 @07:52PM (#38587884)
> but a handful of examples is not really particularly convincing

CogitoCogito asked for "specific examples of the universities in question acting in contradiction to these statements". When you are providing specific examples, a handful are enough.

Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by biimugan on Friday December 08, 2023 @04:40PM (#38574870)
Let me put it to you this way. All you hear about is what is reported in your media of choice. Having lived and worked on campuses before, I can tell you that these individual incidents happen A LOT, whether it's racism, anti-semitism, anti-Muslim attitudes, etc. Almost all of them end with slaps on the wrist because they're deemed one-off events. And almost none of them are reported on. Everything in the media is constantly focusing on anomalous events to drive reactions, just like the one you're having.

People need to step back and realize that the majority of students are 18-21 year olds. They are children. The student codes of conduct are meant to correct bad behavior, not to punish and expel students.

Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by s1artibartfast on Friday December 08, 2023 @05:31PM (#38575549)
I think that is a very fair point. Most of the university action against free speech is targeted not at students, but against controversial faculty and other 3rd parties.

Most of these actions are demanded by the student majority.

The underlying phenomenon is that the children are running the daycare and administration is doing their bidding. It is perfectly consistent that the admin only takes action against the most egregious students. However, a book, paper, or statement might get faculty removed. Similarly, invited guest speakers can be shut down by hecklers veto.

Re:Stop Demanding Dumb Answers to Hard Questions by rayiner on Friday December 08, 2023 @05:47PM (#38575736)
What sorts of statements are you lumping together here? If the kids saying “all lives matter” are getting a “slap on the wrist,” then “from the river to the sea” should get kids expelled. What people are outraged about is the warped value systems of these university administrators, not the punishments per se.