Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by betaby on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:38PM (#38564744)

That the thing, apartments in US/Canada are in 'trashier' pockets of the city. Single family homes are well located mostly and don't have such problems. Reason is simply - apartments were put there they are well after city was fully developed. Speaking from my experience in Toronto/Montreal areas. Thus I disagree about traffic noise, it's a necessary evil. Real evil is vast zones of single family areas in the city limits, especially close to metro.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by SamBam on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:41PM (#38564769)

> Reason is simply - apartments were put there they are well after city was fully developed.

I'm confused by this statement. In any older city in the US, like in any city in Europe, the heart of the city is apartment buildings. Those would have been the main part of the city by the time it was big enough to be called a "city." Single family homes were generally in later areas -- suburbs, or suburbs that got swallowed up by the city -- or in the small exclusive pockets of extremely wealthy areas.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by betaby on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:57PM (#38564906)

We are talking about very different apartments. Compare old city https://maps.app.goo.gl/t9TRsNMnQ93Yr42X7 and modern development in front of highway https://maps.app.goo.gl/yiL3UXuxRVd1c1oW8

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by coeneedell on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:43PM (#38564789)

Some new apartments in 5-over-2 buildings sure. But developers only build apartments in areas that already have high land value, this includes areas like center city, Phila, the loop in Chicago, the central west end in St. Louis, etc,

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by tptacek on Friday December 08, 2023 @12:54AM (#38565866)

It is obviously not the case that developers only build in the Loop in Chicago; in fact, virtually none of the housing built in Chicago is built in the Loop.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by truculent on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:42PM (#38564772)

What do you make of the switch to 30kmph with respect to “necessary evil”? It seems like Amsterdam has decided it isn’t necessary at all, for the reasons stated in the article

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by betaby on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:08PM (#38564995)

Context is the king. Read the original comment I'was replying.

As for Amsterdam - it's a tiny city area wise, 30 km/h is mostly core. All highway limits stays the same. Map they provided show 50 km/h outside of the very centre. I'm glad for them if that make a difference. As a side note I didn't enjoy Amsterdam public transport (again comparing with Montreal).

As a related fact in Montreal that stretch of the road https://maps.app.goo.gl/dgG8avYABUgbZ7BTA was switched from 50km/h to 40km/h. As you can see it has fences on both sides, so it's hard to justify safety reasons here.

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