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Re:Databases are the endgame for data-oriented design by SahAssar on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @06:00PM (#38550670)
> you can certainly see the sentiment frequently expressed on HN that the rise of NoSQL and of ORM's is a direct result of otherwise capable programmers not wanting to deal with SQL and its conceptual building blocks such as joins

I think I saw that sentiment a lot 5+ years ago. The last 2-3 years have been a lot more for postgresql and writing SQL directly.

Either way I don't think that "excellent coders" "despise" learning SQL, almost every senior coder that has interacted with a medium-to-large database has understood and valued SQL in my experience.

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