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Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by spaceribs on Monday December 04, 2023 @09:33PM (#38526334)
Are you comparing a human child with dogs, chimps and giraffes? Are you saying it's appropriate to communicate with physical violence in this context? What other human-to-human contexts are there where physical violence or the threat of physical violence is okay?

I'm genuinely curious about this worldview, because I personally cannot empathize with this. It's abhorrent to me and my values.

Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by s1artibartfast on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:07PM (#38526613)
I would argue that basically every human context includes the possibility of physical violence, usually for sufficient transgression the boundaries of others.

If you walk out your door start groping people or try to run off someone's child, you will encounter violence pretty fast.

Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by spaceribs on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:27AM (#38527440)
Those examples are not "every human context" and they don't guarantee violence, they're extrajudicial. Are you saying spanking a child is extrajudicial? a vigilante assault?
Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @01:19AM (#38527690)
every human activity is in relation to possible violence. It holds relevance to basically every aspect of human life. It enables the status quo, and has the potential to disrupt it.

You couldnt make a post on HN if it werent for violence, or the threat of it. you have a computer to type on because if someone were to take it, they would risk beating or death. someone built the computer because threat of violence makes them work for a living instead of taking what they want. sometimes you can be minding your own business at a desert rave and violence comes for you anyways.

im saying all order, justice, and authority is based on violence. the only difference between an extrajudicial vigilante and a sanctioned enforcer, is that the enforcer is on the side generally considered more threating.

If you are sufficiently transgressive, violence is always a possible consequence, for children and adults. it is a simple fact of life.

Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by bagful on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:44PM (#38526847)
Considering the behaviors children typically get spanked for, these are severe crimes. Do we have a higher standard of behavior for children?
Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by s1artibartfast on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:58PM (#38526939)
I don't know what scenarios you are imagining but I think standard should be lower for children than adults, and the punishment less severe, but that doesn't preclude any violence.
Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by tiahura on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:36PM (#38527145)
I think your response captures it in a nutshell. Dog’s, chimp’s and giraffe’s primary concern is addressing the problematic behavior. Modern parenting’s primary concern is with congratulating themselves for their enlightened values.
Re:Minnesota middle school students 'seem happy' after cellp... by spaceribs on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:21AM (#38527406)
As opposed to archaic parenting being about what exactly?