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Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by r3trohack3r on Monday December 04, 2023 @04:39PM (#38523499)
I'm hesitant to share this because it's completely unverifiable in any way I'd be comfortable documenting. Not my life, not my secrets to tell.

I had a close friend who did undergraduate research in a fisheries department.

They had been researching plant selection for aquaponics to increase the yield of tilapia. They had a filtration system that pushed tank water through a bed of plant roots. The plants would be harvested, processed into fish food, and fed back to the fish. On top of this platform, they'd experiment with different plant combinations to measure the impact on water quality and protein conversion.

They were seeing very high protein conversion with their plant choices (numbers high enough they gave me pause at what it would mean for society, but if I tried to throw out a number now I'd certainly get it wrong).

Recycling energy like this reduced the amount of food you'd have to put into the system, and the plants handled a good portion of the filtration for the system.

At some point, a large agriculture business with strong ties to the department offered a large grant that was understood to be contingent on this project being discontinued.

The project was abandoned and my buddy dropped out of his degree program.

Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by jongjong on Monday December 04, 2023 @07:52PM (#38525603)
Well isn't that a similar story behind OpenAI drama? Big money suppressing innovation.
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by 1letterunixname on Monday December 04, 2023 @08:03PM (#38525692)
Not even closely related. One is big money corrupting academia, another is startup drama.
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by jongjong on Monday December 04, 2023 @08:06PM (#38525718)
This is incorrectly assuming that all innovation happens in academia.
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by omginternets on Monday December 04, 2023 @09:40PM (#38526395)
Sigh… no.

It’s saying that this is a case of academic innovation, and that that is startup drama.

Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by jongjong on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @03:14AM (#38528223)
I know what intentional suppression of innovation looks like. I worked in blockchain sector. I think you're underestimating the scale of it and hence you do not see that it's the same ideology behind both cases and many more cases.
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by jurynulifcation on Monday December 04, 2023 @05:30PM (#38524085)
Can you give any further details? This might be worth experimenting with, and I do already have an aquaculture setup.
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by r3trohack3r on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @11:30AM (#38533046)
Was a long time ago and not my research.

Superficially, focus on driving down net waste in the system.

Take the nutrient profile of tilapia waste. Compare that with the nutrient demands of plants to find candidates. Then look for plants where the majority of the biomass can be converted into food that the tilapia can digest (i.e. edible roots, stalks, leaves; the more the fish can eat the less energy you take out of the system).

IIRC at least one of the plant choices had a tuber.

IIRC there is also something about the efficiency of waste->biomass conversion for the plants at different stages of development; figuring out when the ideal time to harvest is to minimize energy loss.

Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by JacobThreeThree on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:03PM (#38526585)
Par for the course in higher education.

Corporations and wealthy donors don't give money while expecting nothing in return.

Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by rdedev on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:02AM (#38527307)
At that point is it legally okay to just open source whatever findings you have in hand? Do university research come with some form of NDA?
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by paxys on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:24AM (#38527430)
On one hand I absolutely believe this does routinely happen. On the other every researcher/inventor out there with a project that went nowhere claims that they were on the cusp of a breakthrough and only silenced because of the government/corporations/illuminati. I'd wager the vast majority are in the second category.
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by snowflakeandrey on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:51AM (#38527550)
Forgive me if I'm being dense, but why wouldn't the researchers just go off and sell this to the customers of the large agriculture business?
Re:Ousted propaganda scholar Joan Donovan accuses Harvard of... by FoxBJK on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @08:05AM (#38530205)
My guess is that the researchers don't "own" the research they're doing since it was being funded by the university. It's property of the university and if you take it and try to sell it now you're stealing IP.