Re:Wayland Isn't Going to Save the Linux Desktop
by paulmd on Sunday December 03, 2023 @08:11PM
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There's an example right above you of NVIDIA's explicit-sync patches being rejected because AMD and Intel aren't ready to move on that piece of functionality yet, despite implicit sync resulting in higher latency and a worse experience for users, and being generally agreed to be undesirable and not the direction they want development to go, which is generally agreed to be what NVIDIA has implemented. And this follows the overall hostility over EGLStreams or whatever it was.
They're doing the code and releasing the patches, and they largely capitulated on whatever the EGLStreams issue was supposed to be about, they are leading in what everyone involved seems to agree is "the right direction" and the linux community still can't find their way to "yes". At some point you have to start looking at it as not being entirely NVIDIA's fault - "fuck you, NVIDIA" is no longer an expression of how difficult they are to work with, but rather a generalized expression of hostility from the linux community over perceived historical slights etc.
Like, if there's some big history of warfare between IBM and the kernel team, are you just going to reject any patch coming from IBM because you don't like the company, even when it's generally agreed that the patch is generally right and going in the consensus direction, just because you don't like the name on the signoff? That seems to be where the linux community is at these days.
The whole "fuck you, nvidia!" thing has always been noxious, that's an example of linus's personal toxicity that a certain segment of the linux community has eagerly celebrated. At best it is a thought-terminating cliche that contributes nothing and drags down the debate, and at worst it's given covering-fire for that segment to act out in their own immature, negative ways, to the detriment of the users.
It's not a good look, it's just immature, and at this point it's practically expected from the kernel team. Look who's in charge (and it's not just linus, GKH seems pretty bad too, from a casual observer every time I see his name come up it's some childish troublemaking like the symbols-relicensing warfare thing).
They're doing the code and releasing the patches, and they largely capitulated on whatever the EGLStreams issue was supposed to be about, they are leading in what everyone involved seems to agree is "the right direction" and the linux community still can't find their way to "yes". At some point you have to start looking at it as not being entirely NVIDIA's fault - "fuck you, NVIDIA" is no longer an expression of how difficult they are to work with, but rather a generalized expression of hostility from the linux community over perceived historical slights etc.
Like, if there's some big history of warfare between IBM and the kernel team, are you just going to reject any patch coming from IBM because you don't like the company, even when it's generally agreed that the patch is generally right and going in the consensus direction, just because you don't like the name on the signoff? That seems to be where the linux community is at these days.
The whole "fuck you, nvidia!" thing has always been noxious, that's an example of linus's personal toxicity that a certain segment of the linux community has eagerly celebrated. At best it is a thought-terminating cliche that contributes nothing and drags down the debate, and at worst it's given covering-fire for that segment to act out in their own immature, negative ways, to the detriment of the users.
It's not a good look, it's just immature, and at this point it's practically expected from the kernel team. Look who's in charge (and it's not just linus, GKH seems pretty bad too, from a casual observer every time I see his name come up it's some childish troublemaking like the symbols-relicensing warfare thing).