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Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by granzymes on Friday December 01, 2023 @06:21PM (#38493965)
It's been a recurring topic of conversation whether Uber would ever reach this milestone. The S&P 500 requires members of the index to be profitable in the latest quarter and over the past year, which Uber achieved for the first time in Q3.

Uber reported net income of $221 million on $9.29 billion in revenue in the third quarter, and in the past four quarters altogether it generated over $1 billion in profit.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by onlyrealcuzzo on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:20PM (#38494446)
Interesting what GAAP allow one to call profits: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/uber-may-achieve-profitabili...
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by candiddevmike on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:31PM (#38494520)
> It took a $756 million pre-tax (non-cash) net benefit of unrealized gains related to reevaluating its equity investments. It means their stake in other companies had seen an appreciation in value, which the Company didn't sell or take profits as in unrealized gains and doesn't account for taxes as in pre-tax.

> The Company gained nothing and remains a bagholder in its equity investments, including DiDi, Aurora, Grab Holdings Inc. (NASDAQ: GRAB), and Zomato stakes.

Uber is turning into a financial company like other transportation giants (Delta, AA). Maybe for the best, as I think everyone understands that self driving Uber is a pipedream.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by paul7986 on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:39PM (#38494579)
Indeed though Waymo hasn't had any big accidents unless they are keeping them on the down low and or paying lots to the right people.
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by candiddevmike on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:40PM (#38494586)
Waymo isn't Uber. And I doubt Uber will evere be/acquire Waymo...
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by rsaesha on Friday December 01, 2023 @08:15PM (#38494802)
What is specifically stopping Uber from providing an autonomous driver service so hard to warrant being classified as a pipedream event?
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by kevinventullo on Friday December 01, 2023 @08:28PM (#38494904)
Not OP, but Uber recently announced a partnership with Wayno: https://investor.uber.com/news-events/news/press-release-det...

Not a nail in the coffin, but it doesn’t exactly spark confidence in their own efforts.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by fyrn_ on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:27PM (#38495287)
Selling off their self driving division in 2020 is probably the more telling sign for their own efforts
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by cloudwalking on Friday December 01, 2023 @08:32PM (#38494929)
Uber sold its autonomous division to Aurora in 2020 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-uber-atg-idUSKBN28H2RX/

Uber's self-driving dreams rest on a partnership with Waymo (and whoever else eventually produces a safe autonomous vehicle).

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by wubrr on Friday December 01, 2023 @08:35PM (#38494941)
If they made self driving with the same quality as they made their apps, they'd get shut down pretty fast.
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by granzymes on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:35PM (#38494554)
Uber would have met the inclusion criteria for the S&P500 regardless of the increase in unrealized equity gains it reported last year in Q4.

Notably, this quarters $221 million in profit was not driven by unrealized gains.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by viscanti on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:48PM (#38494643)
After hearing for years how Uber is a scam and will never be profitable, I guess it makes sense there's some moving of the goalposts here.
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by wubrr on Friday December 01, 2023 @08:32PM (#38494930)
ubereats is actually kind of a scam though. They lie about some of their promotions, they lie about their delivery times and 'latest delivery by' times, they lie about 'uber cash credit', and they lie about refunds.

I've noticed this stuff occasionally over the years, and started collecting the evidence recently... it happens a lot more often than you'd think.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by atom_arranger on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:10PM (#38495173)
They calculate tips after fees and before discounts, so customers are tricked into tipping more. First noticed this after getting a buy one get one free deal and seeing a tip calculated at 2X what I'd expect
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by RobAtticus on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:24PM (#38495270)
After fees is a bit tacky, but, at least in the US, I think it is considered good etiquette to tip on the original amount before discounts. I remember this came up a lot when Groupon was big offering a lot of BOGO deals.
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by atom_arranger on Saturday December 02, 2023 @06:07PM (#38503126)
I’ve never thought much about it, always consider it’s just a percentage. I am in Canada but it’s pretty much the same. Googling “tipping buy one get one” turns up this snippet from a Quora answer:

> The amount of effort the server devotes to your ordre is the same regardless of what the owner charges for your meal. So tip on the original, undiscounted price. And tip at least 20 percent.

Kind of funny, when it results in a higher tip I should consider the amount of effort.

I expect if I said I was only tipping $2 on a $100 bottle of wine at a restaurant because it isn’t any extra effort to grab an expensive bottle the poster might not agree.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by wubrr on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:19PM (#38495234)
Yup, they will shower you with 'promo' offers like '2 for 1' (where the price is typically just doubled for a single item anyway), then try to charge you like a 36% tip. They also straight up steal many of the tips from their delivery people as evidenced my many such threads/concerns online.

https://www.reddit.com/r/uberdrivers/comments/xyk7cx/uber_st...

In general, never tip on ubereats.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by V-eHGsd_ on Saturday December 02, 2023 @12:55PM (#38500416)
100% of those tips go to the driver, and not in some sort of scammy door dash way that means uber pays the driver less. so it's important to note that "tricking" people into tipping more doesn't help uber's bottom line.
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by ac29 on Saturday December 02, 2023 @03:55PM (#38501961)
> it's important to note that "tricking" people into tipping more doesn't help uber's bottom line.

Of course it does. Their drivers presumably want a certain level of total compensation, but they dont care who it comes from. The higher Uber is able to convince people to tip, the less they have to offer in wages to retain drivers.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by V-eHGsd_ on Monday December 04, 2023 @03:32PM (#38522639)
uber's bottom line ... as in what gets reported in the quarterly numbers. the tips absolutely do not go towards uber's income.

> The higher Uber is able to convince people to tip, the less they have to offer in wages to retain drivers.

this is unfounded speculation.

your complaint reads like you want to fault uber for not scamming the drivers. as someone else pointed out, after years of saying that uber would never be profitable it makes sense that there's some moving the goalposts here.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 01, 2023 @08:57PM (#38495082)
> Interesting what GAAP allow one to call profits

If you want unfuckable metrics, look at cash flow. Uber's operations are cash-flow positive [1].

[1] https://s23.q4cdn.com/407969754/files/doc_earnings/2023/q3/e...

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by disgruntledphd2 on Saturday December 02, 2023 @08:08AM (#38498360)
Cash flow less share compensation tends to work better for tech companies.
Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by JumpCrisscross on Sunday December 03, 2023 @03:41PM (#38510557)
> Cash flow less share compensation

Shares aren’t cash. No need to double count.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @04:52AM (#38528793)
They're not free though, there's a cost to providing them.

The point (which was made somewhere by Unhedged in the FT (but I am failing at finding the article)) is that cash flow is somewhat deceptive for companies that compensate their employees with cash.

Re:Uber Joins the S&P 500 by paulpauper on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:24PM (#38495267)
and in the past four quarters altogether it generated over $1 billion in profit.

Yup...that's why the stock has done so well despite the insistence or chorus by the media since 2010 of how Uber is going to go bankrupt or burning cash. It's like Tesla in this regard--years of losses on capital expenditures--followed by huge and sudden profit as the initial capital outlay pays off massively.