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Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by slt2021 on Friday December 01, 2023 @12:51AM (#38483614)
Directed energy (laser) will solve this issue, so that Patriots are only engaged for expensive planes, while lasers will destroy drones and cheap ballistic rockets
Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by dralley on Friday December 01, 2023 @12:55AM (#38483638)
No, lasers will not be a sufficient defense against ballistic missiles. Lasers require time to burn through the target. With ballistic missiles, they're facing a target traveling 5+ times the speed of sound (ie. little time), that also has heat shielding on the bit that's facing the target. Not to mention adverse weather conditions. And missiles w

Lasers will, however, be very effective at SHORAD, especially against cheap drones, rockets, artillery shells and cruise missiles, in the proper conditions. Iron Beam is projected to cost $0.50-$1.00 in electricity per shot, compared to a $50-60k Iron Dome interceptor missile (which is already insanely cheap for what it is).

Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by missedthecue on Friday December 01, 2023 @12:55AM (#38483634)
They will not solve this issue because laser weapons will not work when light is defracted (fog, heavy clouds, rain), and they will not work against targets beyond the horizon. It's not a technology hurdle, it's a physics impossibility.

Interceptor missiles are here to stay. Lasers will accompany them but never replace.

Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by slt2021 on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:01AM (#38483666)
There is still benefit in shooting laser at a speed of light, instead of a guided rocket which travels at 2-3 Machs at best.

2 machs is ~0.686 km/s - vs 300k km/s for laser.

and laser can be mounted on a plane, which makes it even more dangerous for air2air combat

Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by Maxion on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:27AM (#38484124)
Lasers won't really be used in A2A, except for maybe intercepting missiles and drones.

There's not really any A2A going on anymore within visual range.

Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by ElectronCharge on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:48AM (#38488874)
You speak with certainty, when you clearly have little knowledge on the topic.

Stealth aircraft are immune to targeting radar guided lock except at quite close range. IR missiles are better, but are generally not BVR.

Also, at high altitude “within laser range” could be at “BVR” type ranges, e.g. over eighty km.

Re:Anduril announces Roadrunner, jet-powered VTOL drone by Vecr on Friday December 01, 2023 @05:29PM (#38493427)
You can (in theory) guide an air-to-air missile in at that range remotely using an optical targeting pod on the launching fighter, it's generally more risky though because you can't immediately break contact like you can with a Meteor for example. Meteor is highly resistant to ECM however, and a remote guided missile might not be. In all cases however, any laser system you can power on a fighter jet (assuming current and near future technology) will not be able to target a manned or unmanned fighter jet in a way that a remote guided missile system can't. A laser system could be useful for close range defense.