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Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by mikeg8 on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @10:39PM (#38469272)
He is obviously a great leader and those that work there wanted to work with him. It’s very clear in this thread how undervalued exceptional leadership actually is, as evidence by comments thinking the top role in the most innovative company could be just plug-and-play.
Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by jjtheblunt on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:13AM (#38469929)
This comment made me look for a recent article about Paul Graham firing him from Ycombinator for being exactly not a great leader or trustworthy person.

The article was just days ago but it’s eluding my search.

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by mikeg8 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:18AM (#38469953)
Would love to see it. Everything I’ve read/seen from PG regarding Sama has been nothing but high praise. My understand is Sam chose to leave YC president role to pursue other interests/ventures which eventually turned into OpenAI
Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by jjtheblunt on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:26AM (#38470004)
Washington Post and Hacker News

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38378216

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by jacquesm on Thursday November 30, 2023 @04:44AM (#38471572)
I think PG is very, very subtle when it comes to his writings about Sam and what you think is high praise may well be faint damnation.
Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by sumedh on Thursday November 30, 2023 @05:32AM (#38471888)
> for being exactly not a great leader or trustworthy person.

Didnt PGs wife invest/donate to Open AI?

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by contrarian1234 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @01:34AM (#38470392)
I'm going to guess it's not about leadership. From the Lex Fridman interview he claims to be personally involved in all hires - and spend a good fraction of his time evaluating candidates.

- He's not going to hire someone he doesn't like

- Someone that doesn't like him is unlikely to join his team

So it's very likely the whole staff ends up being people that "like" him or get along with him. He did come off as a charming smooth talking - and I'm sure he has lot of incredibly powerful friends/connections. But at least from that little window into his world I didn't feel he showed any particularly brilliance or "leadership". He did seem pretty deferential to ML experts (which i guess he's not) - but it's hard to know if it's a false humility or not

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by calf on Thursday November 30, 2023 @03:17AM (#38471051)
That's pathetic. I cannot respect someone and will not work under someone who functions that way. A personality cultist.
Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by bbarnett on Thursday November 30, 2023 @03:34AM (#38471166)
It's also an unvalidated claim, predicated upon assumptions.

I've hired people I "don't like" on a personal level. I care more about their ability to work positively with oters, and their professionalism and skill.

Yet you and the parent poster have assumed he is hiring a cult, because he spends time evaluating?

A weird assumption to make.

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by contrarian1234 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @04:00AM (#38471315)
oh sorry - I didn't mean it in a nefarious way at all

I think it's just human nature to not hire people you feel you won't get along with. If you're deeply involved in all your hires, then I feel you'll end up with an organization full of people that you get along with and who you like (and probably like you back). I wouldn't go so far as to say it'd make a personality cult - though with their lofty mission statements and ambitions to make the world better.. who knows. Not going to psychoanalyze a bunch of people I don't know

"I've hired people I "don't like" on a personal level."

I'm honestly impressed... I feel that's rather exceptional. I feel a lot of hiring goes on "gut feeling"

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by bbarnett on Thursday November 30, 2023 @05:44PM (#38480289)
Perhaps my gut feeling is just tuned more towards competence, than personality sync? I often find lacking competencies to be more jarring than variant personalities.
Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by contrarian1234 on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:05AM (#38484014)
I'm guessing if you're a candidate for OpenAI you're already top of your game and working at the cutting edge . Just a matter of degree.

While I'm sure he's competent, he's probably not in a position to quiz them on the latest research

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by calf on Thursday November 30, 2023 @02:28PM (#38477977)
Why is your argument from authority relevant at all here?

1. For that matter, I would not work with a boss who doesn't recognize an argument from authority as a response.

2. Furthermore a boss who lacks critical thinking skills and can't recognize a mildly skeptical comment for what it is.

3. Why assume I'm rigidly taking any position re. Altman in particular?

4. "That's pathetic" is not "He's pathetic", so perhaps the problem here is your low reading comprehension level, and not any particular assumption that I have committed to at all.

5. "A weird assumption" -- so, you decide it's weird because you just read it wrongly? Or, if something seems weird, why not ask a curious question and find out? Listening skills? Why is it so important to make this about another commenter?

I find your poor faith interpretation of my comment to be offensive. You've at the used your professionalism as pretense to biasedly cast judgment on what is a critical or even mildly skeptical general remark. This reflects the bad side of tech culture. You should apologize.

Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by bbarnett on Thursday November 30, 2023 @05:40PM (#38480232)
Buddy, trying to pretend your comment didn't exist in the contextualized space it did, when you replied, is not viable. And your response is way out in left field.
Re:Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board by int_19h on Thursday November 30, 2023 @06:09AM (#38472097)
There's exceptional leadership, and then there are charming sociopaths.

Unfortunately, it can sometimes be hard to tell those two apart when a sociopath is actively pushing your emotional buttons to make you feel like they care about the same things as you etc.