He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire kitchen staff quit

Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by changoplatanero on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @05:39PM (#38452471)

That's the whole point though. If the types of restaurants that you like can't make enough money to offer jobs that workers would accept then those restaurants shouldn't exist. They can be replaced with more profitable businesses that more people will enjoy.

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @05:52PM (#38452633)

That begs the question about what to do when the workers will accept lower wage, and there is not a more profitable business waiting to replace it.

I dont know so many people make those assumptions. If there is a more profitable buisness, why isnt it there already?

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by contravariant on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @05:57PM (#38452732)

If they are offered more than enough money to be willing to stay and there's not a more profitable business waiting to replace it, then what exactly is the problem?

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @06:17PM (#38452971)

in the context of the minimum wage discussion, the problem is when the labor is willing but not allowed to work, ends up unemployed instead, and the store sits vacant.

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by contravariant on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @07:14PM (#38453579)

And how is that related to businesses that cannot afford to pay their staff enough to keep them?

We're not discussing minimum wage here. If we were I'd point out that minimum wage should at a minimum be the amount where letting the store remain vacant is equally preferable. However to ensure alignment I consider it better to put it higher to the point where people earning minimum wage aren't a burden on society (I mean a store with as much value to society as a vacant one doesn't really deserve to exist, you're just shifting the problem there, don't ever let industry do that for you).

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by s1artibartfast on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @09:22PM (#38454661)

>And how is that related to businesses that cannot afford to pay their staff enough to keep them?

It was more of an addendum on the types of business that shouldnt exist, and business turnover in general. I agree that if a business cant make enough to attract talent, it makes sense that that it should fail (all other factors neglected).

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by huytersd on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @06:18PM (#38452981)

I’d like a lot of restaurants to exist though, I don’t want being able to find workers to be the limiting factor and have 4 choices for food instead of 40. Plus it lets a lot of business owners start up their own businesses and support a lot of workers.

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Re:He thought tending bar sounded like fun. Then the entire ... by genocidicbunny on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:25PM (#38454228)

Sure, I want a lot of restaurants, but I don't want them to exist due to them exploiting or underpaying their workers. A business is not entitled to workers, so if they cannot afford to pay enough to find workers, the business has failed. C'est la vie.

I for one, do not see paying someone close to minimum wage in return for 40hr/wk of their time as 'supporting' workers. You want to really support workers? Pay them appropriately and provide them a good workplace.

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