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Re:Tesla sues Swedish government after worker rebellion crip... by jacquesm on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:25PM (#38438564)
> I don't get this. If they really are breaking the law why isn't the government shutting them down instead of the unions playing hardball? Isn't that the job of the government?

That's the tricky bit about worker/employer relationships: it would still require a worker to bring a complaint and that worker will then surely be fired by Tesla because they're pretty good at retaliation. That would still make it worse for Tesla but the worker than also has an issue. You'd have to be pretty principled to put your family through a thing like that. But it may well come to it if this keeps going on, Tesla doesn't really realize yet who has the power in this engagement. But they're about to find out.

> In my country, if you don't follow the law, the government institutions don't even let you open up shop, the unions are only there to negociate yearly wage increases, but follwing the law is a given.

In theory Sweden is no different. But they're not going to step in to this until the unions and Tesla have had their options exhausted and so far nobody got fired (as far as I know). The moment Tesla fires someone instead of just threatening to harm them financially the gloves will come off for sure.

As it is Tesla may not realize it yet but they are already losing in the court of public opinion and this stuff is headline news all over Europe, I've seen two articles related to this in the Dutch press in the last week alone and the sentiment is 'you can't bully Swedish workers and expect to get away with it'. Time will tell if that is true and what it will do to Tesla brand perception in Europe.

Re:Tesla sues Swedish government after worker rebellion crip... by FirmwareBurner on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:27PM (#38438587)
>that worker will then surely be fired by Tesla because they're pretty good at retaliation.

Fired how? I though you can't fire people just like that in Sweden.

>In theory Sweden is no different. But they're not going to step in to this until the unions and Tesla have had their options exhausted

This still doesn't make sense. The law is the law, and breaking it is just as bad with or without union discussion, no?

Like if the law says you need to give your employees X, Y, Z and you haven't , the that's breaking the saw and the state should immediately intervine.

>Time will tell if that is true and what it will do to Tesla brand perception in Europe.

I doubt it. VW reduced hundreds/thousands of collective years off our lifespan and their cars are still flying off she show floors so I doubt Europeans are gonna stop buying Teslas because of union disagreements in Sweden.

Re:Tesla sues Swedish government after worker rebellion crip... by jacquesm on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:33PM (#38438680)
Of course you can fire someone. You then can be challenged, you have to show cause and what actions you took to build your case and there is a process to deal with that. And in the end if you got it wrong as the employer you have to pay up. But it's definitely possible to fire someone.

Not like in the US though, without any controls or oversight. Sweden is in that sense probably one of the better countries to be an employee in.

> This still doesn't make sense. The law is the law, and breaking it is just as bad with or without union discussion, no?

Yes. But the problem with these allegations is that you need to prove them and that isn't all that easy.

> Like if the law says you need to give your employees X, Y, Z and you haven't , the that's breaking the saw and the state should immediately intervine.

I agree with you, but in practice that's not how I have found the world to work. For the state to intervene someone has to make a formal complaint first. Otherwise the authorities will not make a move.