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Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by TeMPOraL on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:27AM (#38402421)
"Playing God" is the point of all advancement. We're already doing it, and we'd better get good at it.
Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by vouaobrasil on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:34AM (#38402468)
It's not the point of all advancement. The Amish for instance have accepted certain developments but with caution, and with a centralized system of governing technology so that it doesn't get out of hand. Or consider the Mayans, who tempered their advancement with their limitations in terms of resources.

We shouldn't do it, and we should stop and be happy with what we have and learn how to live better with what we have instead of inventing more trash like AI.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by danielbln on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:43AM (#38402557)
I'm not sure taking a cult like the Amish is a prime example, because if we'd all live like that child mortality would still be enormous and we'd fall short on a myriad of things that make our lives easier and better, because there'd be no scientific discovery.
Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by vouaobrasil on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:53AM (#38402632)
I don't believe scientific discovery is making much better. Some yes of course, but the majority of inventions like smartphones, social media, AI, 5G, fast transportation, fossil fuel extraction, global meat industry, are making it worse.

Technology does make certain TASKS in life easier, but I'd argue that it's NOT a logical consequence that technology makes life BETTER.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by trashtester on Friday November 24, 2023 @07:24AM (#38403256)
One could argue that the most important benefit we get from technology, is that allows more of us to survive, and for longer.

Eugenicist may argue that this is not really a good thing, since it leads to a larger and larger fraction of the population having poor health, some of which will be hereditary.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by Aerbil313 on Friday November 24, 2023 @07:15AM (#38403186)
Agreed. People of the past lived happier, more in peace and more fulfilling years of life than modern people despite worse material conditions, violence, diseases and child mortality. Technology has been only harmful to humanity, and this is by principle, it’s not a side effect. Human body and mind is literally designed to live in a no-organization-dependent[1]-technology world, whether you believe in creation or evolution. We are literally not designed to live in a world of convenience.

1: Kaczynski’s term. Read his manifesto or even better the book Anti-Tech Revolution.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by jfk13 on Friday November 24, 2023 @08:38AM (#38403811)
> People of the past lived happier, more in peace and more fulfilling years of life than modern people

That's a pretty broad claim. How far back is "the past" that was so much better? Which people did you have in mind? The Irish peasants starving because of potato blight? European villagers during the Black Death? The slaves building pyramids in ancient Egypt?

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by dale_glass on Friday November 24, 2023 @08:49AM (#38403922)
People of the past are not well recorded in history.

We don't know much about miserable medieval peasants, because they as a whole didn't know how to write, and the little the rare educated one wrote is unlikely to have been preserved. We know mostly what the rich or at least decently well off of the times have left, a lot of it biased or self-aggrandizing. Some of those wrote on things that they themselves didn't experience.

When you imagine happy peasants you should question who wrote on them and why, and if in those times there was any likelihood of anybody caring about the plight of suffering people, being allowed to write about it, and it being preserved to this day.

But besides that, even with the luck of having a life with a comfortable existence with work you enjoy, you still could one day die from something like an accident with a farm animal, a bad tooth, or childbirth.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by TeMPOraL on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:45AM (#38402578)
Amish attitude towards technology isn't about technology per se, but about desire to keep their style and size of communities working - something new technology tends to disrupt.

The Mayans didn't "temper their advancement with their limitations in terms of resources" - they were limited by available resources and time, therefore they did not advance as much and as fast as the others.

Advancement is driven by the basic need to make things better, whether for yourself or other. And it stacks.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by discreteevent on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:44AM (#38402565)
> we'd better get good at it

The problem is that we can "get good" at things but we have hard limits that are pathetic in comparison to the complexity of the universe. We are slightly advanced monkeys. We poke around at things and claim to understand them but time and again there are unintended consequences. This is hilarious to watch in the context of AI. Monkey invents machine based on high school mathematics. Monkey scales up the machine and pokes around at it but can't predict what it will do or even explain how it did it in retrospect.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by thereisnospork on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:22AM (#38402817)
So what? 'AI' is just computer science finally growing up to match the complexity of innumerable other human endeavors such as biology. The normal state of human technology development is poking at things, just with progressively more calibrated sticks.
Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by RHSman2 on Friday November 24, 2023 @07:20AM (#38403230)
Humans need some adult supervision. We definitely are not doing a good job (and never have) because we don’t get it.

I have more faith in ai overlords than I do in us sorting the incredible mess of human kind out.

Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by crooked-v on Friday November 24, 2023 @05:48AM (#38402598)
I'm reminded of the classic "Caveman Science Fiction" comic page: https://dresdencodak.com/2009/09/22/caveman-science-fiction/
Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by TeMPOraL on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:24AM (#38402824)
Yes, it's a seminal work on the topic of "playing god".
Re:AI system self-organises to develop features of brains of... by robwwilliams on Friday November 24, 2023 @01:49PM (#38406878)
Not seminal but both scatological and eschatological ;-)