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Re:ESA’s new Ariane 6 rocket passed a major full-scale rehea... by xwolfi on Friday November 24, 2023 @04:18AM (#38401991)
But how will Europe be independent of its adversaries like the US, Russia or China without it ? It's like, yeah it's not bleeding edge, but to deploy our military satellites it's better than nothing, isn't it ?

Why spit on it, imagine the situation was reversed, you'd be happy NASA had some sort of alternative to China to launch stuff no ?

Re:ESA’s new Ariane 6 rocket passed a major full-scale rehea... by ClumsyPilot on Friday November 24, 2023 @04:53AM (#38402212)
> imagine the situation was reversed

I find that the exact same people who place free market above all social concerns, will happily give up quite a lot for national security, but sneer when others do the same.

Re:ESA’s new Ariane 6 rocket passed a major full-scale rehea... by ekianjo on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:32AM (#38402891)
Since when has Europe been independent militarily speaking? Ever heard of NATO?
Re:ESA’s new Ariane 6 rocket passed a major full-scale rehea... by xwolfi on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:41AM (#38541064)
But you're talking very generally: we are independent militarily: if the US attack us, we can attempt a defense. If Afghanistan could free itself eventually, I'm sure we can find a way as well. My country has nukes (and owns the territory launching Ariane rockets) and NATO can't tell us what to do with them.

NATO is not a US-controlled army defending Europe. It's a collaborative alliance to scare a bit anyone trying to invade us, but it's not gonna do us any good if the US decide to become crazy or if one of their critical allies attack us and they don't want to risk it.