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Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by pests on Thursday November 23, 2023 @09:57AM (#38393386)
I just finished a TV show that was set in 1850ish in Texas after they joined the union.

They had a character that was proud to have been part of the once great Taxes Nation, and I remember he too said something similar. Reminded me of what you just said.

"Remember when you could just hang the Mexican and Indians?"

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by moduspol on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:15AM (#38393603)
> Your perspective reminds me of people who'd just murder those who are not like them.

Really deep, thought-provoking insight.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by pests on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:48AM (#38394698)
The guy said he can't be racist or violent or sexist in his jokes anymore. Why can't we compare that to people who used to murder those who were different than them?
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by moduspol on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:55AM (#38394779)
Why stop there? Let's just go straight to calling everyone who disagrees with us pedophile Hitlers.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:58AM (#38394809)
> Let's just go straight to calling everyone who disagrees with us pedophile Hitlers.

Really deep, thought-provoking insight.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by moduspol on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:25PM (#38395118)
It's not exactly a huge leap.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:36PM (#38395224)
Such big strong literary quads you must have.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by moduspol on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:42PM (#38395294)
yawn
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by fodkodrasz on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:05AM (#38393485)
Wow you manage to mix ad hominem, and anecdotal evidence, based on a fiction tale made by current mainstream propaganda industry! "Remember the time when American people had decent education and could use other reasoning than references to TV/streaming series?"
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:58AM (#38394164)
>Remember the time when American people had decent education and could use other reasoning than references to [popular media]

No. Do you?

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Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by fodkodrasz on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:19AM (#38393653)
> Where is the ad hominem?

implicit comparison of GP to an unspecified made up character making racist comments

> I'm not even going to argue with you.

I see, because you brought no valid arguments in your comment.

> Now where is your god?

This phrase alone proves that discussing anything with you is of no use. Have a nice day.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by pests on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:48AM (#38394688)
> implicit comparison of GP to an unspecified made up character making racist comments

The guy is implying he can't make jokes anymore because the jokes he wants to make are no longer politically correct, aka racist or sexist or whatever else. Yes I'm going to compare it to times when people lemented they could no longer be racist. What?

> This phrase alone proves that discussing anything with you is of no use.

It was a joke.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by asylteltine on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:28AM (#38393758)
See that’s the problem with people who think like you. I say “remember when you could say jokes” and somehow you hear

“Remember when we could just like lynch black people lmao XD”

Something is wrong with you guys.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @10:54AM (#38394106)
Sure, that's over the top but don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle for "remember when you could openly mock and deride minorities without them being able to make you feel bad about it" a la Andrew Dice Clay or the terrible shock jocks from 30+ years ago.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by asylteltine on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:24AM (#38394456)
A joke is a joke is a joke. Anything can be funny while at the same time some “jokes” are not. There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing. Luckily the tides are turning back to normalcy and this fad is over
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:36AM (#38394569)
>There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing

Hilarious that you talk about nuance while explicitly removing nuance from the discussion by saying "A joke is a joke is a joke".

Ok dude, I'll look for your comedy special where you tell women to make you a sammich or put on a terribly racist Chinese accent and talk about eating cats or whatever.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by asylteltine on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:48PM (#38395367)
The jokes you mentioned just aren’t funny anymore. They were at one point when they were new. Of course you wouldn’t understand why they were funny in the first place though, as most comedians (after the 1950s I guess) said them because they were ironic, not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen. It’s making fun of stereotypes, but you wouldn’t understand that.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @01:19PM (#38395768)
>not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen

Someone should have told that to the 12-18 year olds that would scream it at women as soon as one opened their mouth online in early xbox live during the "videogames are for boys" marketing era.

Since you seem to be arguing in good faith (albeit also in poor taste), when you ask a question like "Remember when you could make jokes?" it pegs your sense of humour to an era where women and minorities were the butt of oft repeated derogatory jokes. These jokes are not even worth considering for their comedic value because they were almost devoid of it in even the scenario that you outline.

A throwaway joke that relies on its shock value to derive any merit because it is not clever in the slightest. A category of joke that oversaturated the online landscape at one point, and now those with any sense of humour are numb to it.

When you repeat these types of jokes where the punchline is "racism" or "sexism" and people roll their eyes and don't laugh, it's not because they're offended, it's because your sense of humour is immature and underdeveloped.

So I repeat my earlier question: "Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore?"

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by lelanthran on Thursday November 23, 2023 @01:05PM (#38395581)
> don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle

If it's a dog whistle that you can hear, then it's your whistle, summoning you, not the dogs

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Thursday November 23, 2023 @01:19PM (#38395761)
You got an argument, or just pedantry?
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by lelanthran on Friday November 24, 2023 @02:40AM (#38401480)
> You got an argument, or just pedantry?

Well, honestly, I wasn't responding to an argument anyway, so why would I present an argument?

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:28AM (#38404920)
I argue: "I can't make jokes anymore" means "I want to make sexist and racist jokes"

You argue: "Well technically a dog whistle is only audible to dogs so that means that you're a dog"

?? ok.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by lelanthran on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:46AM (#38405079)
> I argue: "I can't make jokes anymore" means "I want to make sexist and racist jokes"

But that's not, to me, an argument - it's a expression of opinion, and you're free to hold one.

If you're saying that I misinterpreted it, maybe consider that it doesn't look like an argument - there's no evidence presented, there's no sequence of assertions, there's no antecedents, no consequence, no logical connectives ...

In short, there's no logic presented, which is why it looks, to me, like an opinion, and not a completely unreasonable one. One that I felt was made in good faith and so I could engage with in good faith.

> You argue: "Well technically a dog whistle is only audible to dogs so that means that you're a dog"

Ever read the last psychiatrist? A favourite phrase of his is "If you're reading it, it's for you." which sort of applies here - the claims of dog whistles/nazis/whatever are not to alert the general audience, but a rallying call to others of the same ideology.

It's a way to say "Come help me fight this argument because we believe the same things."

It is a dog whistle, but it's your dog whistle.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by bradjohnson on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:45AM (#38405789)
Dog whistle, social shibboleth, coded message, fill in the blanks yourself. It's just leading a reader to the start of a path and if they're aligned with your thinking, they will follow it one way. If they're not, or not critical of the patterns associated with this argument, they will be more charitable, or not do the exercise at all.

Being able to identify the conclusion that is not being said does not make me the target of the message. It just makes me someone with too much time invested in the 'culture wars' of today.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by DonHopkins on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:34PM (#38396560)
No, it's Gamergate's dog whistle. Don't pretend it's not, or that you don't know.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by lelanthran on Friday November 24, 2023 @02:39AM (#38401473)
> No, it's Gamergate's dog whistle. Don't pretend it's not, or that you don't know.

My observation is that "Dog whistle" is the new "They're a Nazi", which itself is the new "Think of the children".

They're all cognitive kill-switches and all mean the same thing - "I need to shutdown this conversation immediately".

Maybe there's a legit reason for shutting down a conversation, maybe there isn't, but the legitimacy of the reason is irrelevant to the fact that they are intended to shut down the conversation.

It's shaming language, designed to shame the other party into silence.

Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by pests on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:53AM (#38394748)
Lets hear one of these jokes then.
Re:Sorry You Missed It – Inside Rockstar North Blog Shut Down by DonHopkins on Thursday November 23, 2023 @11:15PM (#38400592)
Here's a very funny joke that uses a very un-funny word:

Prejudice by Tim Minchin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw