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Re:Sam Altman's ouster was precipitated by letter to board a... by aetherson on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @09:23PM (#38388437)
Haha, my bad. I outclevered myself. My bad. Let me do it again.

https://chat.openai.com/share/5a2700de-1850-4f25-8adf-2d2b97...

It handles this properly.

Re:Sam Altman's ouster was precipitated by letter to board a... by what on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @09:53PM (#38388662)
It still doesn’t know that it’s (the original problem) unsolvable or that it’s wrong. Or maybe it does and just bullshits you to seem smart.
Re:Sam Altman's ouster was precipitated by letter to board a... by CamperBob2 on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:40PM (#38396636)
It can't quite get there on its own, but interestingly it can take a hint: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=38396490
Re:Sam Altman's ouster was precipitated by letter to board a... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:45PM (#38389005)
No, your test was great, very well-conceived to trip up an LLM (or me), and it'll be the first thing I try when ChatGPT5 comes out.

You can't throw GPT4 off-balance just by changing the object names or roles -- and I agree that would have been sufficient in earlier versions -- but it has no idea how to recognize a cycle that renders the problem unsolvable. That's an interesting limitation.

Re:Sam Altman's ouster was precipitated by letter to board a... by reroute22 on Thursday November 23, 2023 @01:14AM (#38389908)
It conceptually never admits ignorance and never asks for clarifications. It always produces something, to the best of its ability. It _seems_ to be a minor technical limitation (there is plenty of traditional ML systems producing confidence %% alongside the answer from years if not decades ago, in image recognition in particular), but most likely it's actually a very hard problem, as otherwise it would be mitigated somehow by now by OpenAI, given that they clearly agree that this is a serious problem [2] (more generally formulated as reliability [1])

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA&t=1342s (22:22, "Highlights of the Fireside Chat with Ilya Sutskever & Jensen Huang: AI Today & Vision of the Future", recorded March 2023, published May 16, 2023)

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI4Tpi48DlA&t=1400s (23:20, ditto)