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Re:The violent gang crisis shaking Sweden by carlosjobim on Sunday November 19, 2023 @05:14PM (#38338906)
If people there are such jerks, why do you want to be in their country, or have day-to-day conversations with them? What gives you the right as a foreigner to force "persistent societal change" in a country on the other side of the world? Haven't Americans violently tried that already in a whole bunch of different places?

> if you don't fit a specific trope you can't be Swedish.

Swedes are an ethnic group, you can't be Swedish unless you're born Swedish. Just as you can't be Han, Inuit, Ukrainian or Bantu unless you're born with that ethnicity. American, Brazilian, Roman and a few others are nations that are not ethnically bound, but they are the exception.

Re:The violent gang crisis shaking Sweden by alephnerd on Sunday November 19, 2023 @05:23PM (#38339015)
> why do you want to be in their country

I didn't. Blame my employer for sending me there to lead a CAB for our Northern Europe customers. I've always hated traveling to Northern Europe. At least in Italy or Greece I can pass as $Southern_European American so I don't get stink eye.

> you can't be Swedish unless you're born Swedish

So how does a non-ethnic Swede who has been living in Sweden their entire life and with Swedish citizenship become fully Swedish?

This is the crux of the issue. If you aren't given a chance to assimilate, there's no reason to.

At the end of the day, Trump can say racist stuff about Mexican Americans, yet Mexican Americans hold top cabinet members, leaders of industry, and everyday middle class people in the US. And this is just one example.

I don't see a similar kind of assimilation in most of Northern Europe, excluding the British Isles and Norway (kinda).

Re:The violent gang crisis shaking Sweden by carlosjobim on Sunday November 19, 2023 @05:36PM (#38339176)
> I didn't. Blame my employer for sending me there to lead a CAB for our Northern Europe customers. I've always hated traveling to Northern Europe. At least in Italy or Greece I can pass as $Southern_European American so I don't get stink eye.

Fair enough, then it's work and at least you aren't stuck there forever having to try to make friends.

> So how does a non-ethnic Swede who has been living in Sweden their entire life and with Swedish citizenship become fully Swedish?

He or she will never be Swedish at all. Just as the thousands of Western missionaries who went to China never became Chinese in the slightest, even if they learnt the language and picked up the customs. The person will always be a foreigner. If they have a child with a Swede, that child will be half-Swedish and so on.

Assimilation is a whole different thing. But if the Swedes don't want to welcome foreigners to equal positions of influence, that is their decision. Most of the countries in the world have official policies and laws to limit the influence and the rights of immigrants – including the US.

> This is the crux of the issue. If you aren't given a chance to assimilate, there's no reason to.

Rather, if you aren't given a chance to assimilate, you shouldn't come. If I'm treated rudely as a guest in somebody's house, I'll excuse myself.