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Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by MrBuddyCasino on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:34PM (#38307867)
Sadly, HN isn't a place to ask questions about second-order effects in politics anymore. Unions are basically legal cartels / mafias, and people will honestly think there are no effects on labour markets, prices or employment and everything is pure upside, wealth generated out of thin air.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by AlexandrB on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:39PM (#38307960)
> everything is pure upside, wealth generated out of thin air.

Isn't this also how companies perceive job cuts and wage reduction? Forget about Henry Ford's idea of having a population that can actually afford to buy your products, just keep cutting labor costs.

Edit: Or stock buybacks. Just as long as "the line goes up" for now doesn't matter if you run the whole ship into the ground in the future.

Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by bashinator on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:37PM (#38307925)
I mean, if unions are cartels, then so are corporate boards.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by orangepurple on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:40PM (#38307965)
Unions span across corporations within business sectors whereas corporate boards do not.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by AlexandrB on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:44PM (#38308026)
What about Blackrock? Their representatives sit on many boards in a single industry. Same with large VCs. It's not as structured as unions, but each board is not a completely independent entity either.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by MrBuddyCasino on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:54PM (#38308193)
> What about Blackrock?

This is actually a good point, and is detrimental for similar reasons: concentration of power, reduction of competition and increased fragility of the whole system ("too big to fail").

Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by sroussey on Friday November 17, 2023 @02:26PM (#38308750)
Actually, BlackRock is incentivized to have the whole system be healthy.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by aurelwu on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:45PM (#38308050)
Business associations do however.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by toyg on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:49PM (#38308107)
Yes, board members are strictly segmented by business sector, by law. I mean, god forbid we could have someone on the board on an aerospace company, a car manufacturer, and an internet behemoth! /s
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by orwin on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:53PM (#38308165)
Well, i have something you might want to hear about. It's called investment funds and weirdly competition between companies started to fall as investment fund rose up. They also are present at a lot of different director board or committees.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by throwawa14223 on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:20PM (#38315117)
I've never felt pressured to join a corporate board against my will.
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by bashinator on Saturday November 18, 2023 @02:18PM (#38323281)
Have you ever felt pressured to do work for a corporation when you'd prefer not to? (E.g. take a job for the health care/other life needs).
Re:Swedish dockworkers are refusing to unload Teslas at port... by RandomLensman on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:44PM (#38308031)
Unions are legal and social constructs the same way as, for example, limited liability corporations are.

The impact of organized labor has been analysed a lot - have a look at the literature, it isn't trivial.