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Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by shortcake27 on Friday November 17, 2023 @12:00PM (#38306306)
> but once or twice a year, we take a 1000 mile road trip that would be considerably more painful in an EV. If we're only going to own one car, it still needs to be ICE.

You could just rent a car for those two trips like you suggested yourself in your first paragraph ;). Optimise for the most common scenario, not the least common one.

> Would I still be able to run a 2023 EV in 2044? Will the batteries last that long, with any sort of usable range?

Replacing the battery pack on an EV once every 15 years is certainly cheaper than all the maintenance that goes into an ICE in the same timeframe. Hopefully we can start recycling batteries properly before the current generation of EVs is up for battery replacements.

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Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by bluGill on Friday November 17, 2023 @12:55PM (#38307263)
The cost to rent a car for a week is getting close to the cost of just owning a car. (very much it depends, if you only own new cars renting is cheaper, but most people own older cars which are much cheaper). Plus when you rent they worry about little scratches and such which limits what you can do on vacation.
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Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by shortcake27 on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:22PM (#38307659)
I’m not sure what math you’re on, usually the metric is 1-2 months to match ownership.

I recently hired a small car for £20 a day. Not a special deal, that’s just the price. A week would make that £140. An old car would cost almost twice that in taxes. Then you have maintenance, insurance, MOT, and devaluation.

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Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by bluGill on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:52PM (#38308157)
If you can use a small car. I have a family, so I need a larger car (minivan, but typically they give me a large SUV). $100/day. A used minivan amortized over years is pretty cheap.
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