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Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by smt88 on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:48AM (#38306102)
A very tiny number of people in the US live a 5 min walk from a grocery store.

Many people live within 5 miles of one, but usually in denser areas where 5 miles could easily take 30-60 min of travel.

Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by dublinben on Friday November 17, 2023 @12:11PM (#38306488)
>A very tiny number of people in the US live a 5 min walk from a grocery store.

That's exactly the problem. There needs to be more housing built near grocery stores, and more grocery stores built where the housing is, instead of 5 miles away.

Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by adgjlsfhk1 on Friday November 17, 2023 @12:10PM (#38306472)
Right, but in denser areas it's kind of crazy that more people aren't within 1-2 miles of a grocery store.
Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by smt88 on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:29PM (#38307787)
In my city, everyone I know lives within 1 mile of a grocery store, but they drive anyway. Many have kids and their groceries take up a lot of space, and they don't have the leisure time to spend on walking anyway.
Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by michpoch on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:07PM (#38307453)
So how does it work? How do you e.g. get your fresh bread in the morning? Are there some local community bakieries instead?
Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by greendave on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:37PM (#38307912)
A small fraction of Americans shop daily for food. For the majority, it's a weekly (or even less frequent) occurrence.

And no, fresh bread is not really a thing, outside of a few urbanish settings. A healthy proportion of bakeries don't even sell bread - only pastries, cakes, etc.

Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by smt88 on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:27PM (#38307765)
Americans almost never buy fresh bread. We buy packaged bread with preservatives that lasts about a week (much longer if frozen or refrigerated).

Most of us don't go to the grocery store more than once or twice a week. When we do, it's often a big purchase that you can't carry back in your hands or on a small bike. You'd need something with more cargo space.

Re:280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far mo... by pastage on Friday November 17, 2023 @04:23PM (#38310577)
8km is about 20-35 minutes on a bike depending on infrastructure, I am sure it is zero minutes in many places due to lack of infrastructure. It is extremely cheap to build, and fast, look at Paris it is rapidly becoming a more bicycle friendly city, it is still carmagedon though.