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Re:Oops! We Automated Bullshit by caturopath on Friday November 17, 2023 @09:48AM (#38304335)
I tried to mention containing knowledge to avoid a discussion like this: not 'knowing' or 'having knowledge' or something that could lead to a discussion like this, which I don't think aligns with the point I was trying to make, which is that top LLMs are not merely good at things like grammar, but that a key part of what they do has to do about information about the world.

FWIW, although 'justified true belief' is classic in the sense of being an old definition of knowledge, I don't think any significant number of modern philosophers would use it.

Re:Oops! We Automated Bullshit by lukev on Friday November 17, 2023 @10:18AM (#38304723)
Well, they're concerned with Gettier problems etc too.

But yeah the problem what you mean by "knowing." For example, I am perfectly happy to say that a LLM "knows" words just like I "know" words, or that it "knows about" very popular topics in a loose sense.

But that's a very different sense of "knows" from the kind of specific propositional knowledge we're usually interested in when using a LLM as a search engine, fact checker or source of information!