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Re:No Bing, no Edge, no upselling: De-crufted Windows 11 com... by sundvor on Friday November 17, 2023 @01:10AM (#38300155)
Win11 Pro user here.

It doesn't require too much effort to tame the beast. Until the shit is gone, sure it's not nice - and you still benefit from taking the installer offline mid-way so that you can choose your own username and such, which is a pita.

But once sorted, it's a great and very responsive ui.

And at least with Windows 11, as opposed to Win 10, I can tell the different windows apart, with a certain level of border consistency. Win10 made it all an atrocious blur, it really did my head in (eg Teams/VSCode all blending into one black canvas of hell).

I use WSL2 (Ubuntu 22.04) for most of my work, have a beastly, latest generation PC that I built myself with 4 monitors + a stream deck all profile mounted - and am very happy with it.

Re:No Bing, no Edge, no upselling: De-crufted Windows 11 com... by bigstrat2003 on Friday November 17, 2023 @03:09AM (#38300841)
It doesn't matter how much effort it is, though. It's unacceptable that one has to do it at all. I paid for Windows 10, I should get an experience that prioritizes my needs (or at least the needs of users generally). Not one which prioritizes Microsoft corporate profits.
Re:No Bing, no Edge, no upselling: De-crufted Windows 11 com... by sundvor on Friday November 17, 2023 @04:34AM (#38301350)
I don't disagree at all. The (out of the box) cacophony of internet content jammed into every nook and cranny does my head in completely.

I care much more about that than the telemetry stuff, but I completely appreciate that others care equally or more about the latter.

Once the crap is gone, the experience is awesome. It's such a shame they have to push it this way. I'd bloody pay extra for a lean edition.