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Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by maccard on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:58AM (#38250872)
The only time I've ever had a report ask me to confirm something in writing it was clear they were operating in CYA mode, but weren't willing to talk to me about why.

It's the sort of thing that immediately escalates a situation, and in reality when the card is played it either breaks the trust, or the trust has already been broken.

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by marcosdumay on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:37AM (#38251408)
When somebody asks for an order in writing, it's patently clear that the trust has already been broken, and irreversibly so. Nobody asks for that from a position of trust.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by anonymouskimmer on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:42AM (#38251461)
Unless it's multipart or otherwise complex, then the person asking just wants to make sure they didn't forget everything important. I've asked this on more than one occasion and I think it's clear that I'm asking so I don't forget anything (and have sometimes made this explicit).
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by hiatus on Monday November 13, 2023 @11:37AM (#38252108)
Asking someone to file a ticket does not seem to point to a lack of trust, in my opinion.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by ReactiveJelly on Monday November 13, 2023 @11:37AM (#38252114)
No it's not. I made it clear to my last team that I'm just super forgetful and if you don't write down your request, I'll have to stop and write it down myself, implicitly making me an over-paid secretary.

There was resentment yes, but I did trust them!

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by mock-possum on Monday November 13, 2023 @12:45PM (#38252899)
That lack of trust is reasonable though - what’s in your head and what’s in my head may be completely different, why ‘trust’ that we’re on the same page when we can literally ensure it by writing it down and looking at it.

You wouldn’t verbally describe a structure to a builder, and then accuse them of not trusting you when they ask to see a blueprint.

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by smugma on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:13AM (#38251079)
I often ask people to write up requests and often write up my own verbal requests to provide documentation of the ask and allow for clarification. Over time I’ve learned that my verbal requests often leave out important details and then people make assumptions that aren’t always right.
Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by Jcampuzano2 on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:54AM (#38251595)
Depends on the level of effort required for the task in my opinion.

If it's a trivial thing like send an email or some small ask then I wouldn't necessarily expect it to be in writing.

For any non-trivial task I'd expect it to be in writing, even from my manager. Reason for me is that where I work I don't only report to my manager when it comes to how my time is used, but other workstreams and projects, etc.

If I'm busy working on a task for you that is undocumented, then all these other workstreams will wonder what the fuck I'm doing with my time, or may question whether its more important than other tasks. Obviously this is industry specific, since I don't actually work directly with my manager on any projects and probably never will.

From my perspective, my manager has failed or is lazy if they fail to put their non-trivial tasks in writing.

Re:Small Imprecise Ask Is a Big Waste of Their Time by bee_rider on Monday November 13, 2023 @12:09PM (#38252470)
I read it as a mysterious CYA move as well, mostly based on the phrasing.

A possibility is that asking for a written version of the task got the manager to start thinking about the fact that they were asking for something that would be hard to articulate exactly, which revealed some hidden complexity in the request. But I guess that would be asked in a fashion more along the lines of “let’s work out the details asynchronously.”