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Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by mixedmath on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:37AM (#38249949)
I didn't understand from the title. But it turns out that Broadcom has pantented "high efficiency video coding" HEVC (which I have seen before as H.265). Netflix uses HEVC to stream 4K video. Broadcom sued to stop Netflix from infringing on their patent.

Presumably now Netflix will have to pay Broadcom some amount to stream over HEVC.

Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by capableweb on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:39AM (#38249967)
> Presumably now Netflix will have to pay Broadcom some amount to stream over HEVC.

Presumably, Netflix will in the short-term pay X amount for this but work probably started yesterday or earlier to replace it with something that doesn't have fees to use.

Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by mikerybka on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:49AM (#38250065)
They've been working with Intel on AV1 hardware since 2019.

[1] https://research.netflix.com/publication/AV1%20at%20Netflix

Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by cubefox on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:34AM (#38250524)
Unfortunately AV1 hardware acceleration support was really slow. Apple only just adopted it in their new SoCs. Qualcomm didn't support it until recently either. It's probably still years till the hardware support is anywhere close to H.265, or even H.264 (the currently most common format). It's possible to decode AV1 in software, but the computation requirements are quite high.
Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by lern_too_spel on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:04AM (#38250963)
HEVC is from the VP9 generation of codecs. Qualcomm has supported VP9 decoding since 2016 (Snapdragon 820). Unfortunately, no Apple device has ever supported hardware accelerated VP9 decode, so HEVC is the only UHD option on those devices.
Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by mort96 on Monday November 13, 2023 @11:06AM (#38251756)
I guess it doesn't really matter anyway since AV1 is also patent encumbered...
Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by KaiserPro on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:54AM (#38250122)
> probably started yesterday or earlier to replace it with something that doesn't have fees to use.

For netflix? its not that simple. Video codec design is a mammoth task. Sure you can make your own fairly easily, but making an efficient, hardware accelerated encoder that is suitable for broadcast work is one thing.

Making a spec for consumer hardware to implement, efficiently and cheaply is another.

go and read the spec for MPEG2, then compare it to MPEG 4, with all the amendments to make h.264. Its a lot of work.

Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by jdiff on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:43AM (#38250631)
Probably is a good thing that they've already been on the case [for 5+ years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AV1) then.
Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by capableweb on Monday November 13, 2023 @02:41PM (#38254337)
I do realize this, I didn't mean literally yesterday as in "the day before today", but more "earlier in time".
Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by stoobs on Monday November 13, 2023 @08:56AM (#38250136)
Broadcom aren't on the list of HEVC licensors, so they haven't patented HEVC itself, but some related process of handling HEVC video...

Which begs the question, if it's an essential patent, why is it not part of the pool from MPEG-LA?

Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by pgeorgi on Monday November 13, 2023 @11:11AM (#38251821)
> why is it not part of the pool from MPEG-LA?

Maybe Broadcom didn't feel like joining the extortionist pool but preferred to extort the format into uselessness all on its own?

There are precious few ways to mandate licensing of a patent of a third party, and MPEG-LA (now Via LA) license pools aren't one of those ways.

Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by SAI_Peregrinus on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @11:49AM (#38265818)
There's no guaranteed way to find all essential patents, so when MPEG-LA made the standard they just missed (at least) one. MPEG-LA isn't a government, they can't require anyone to license patents to them for their standards.
Re:Munich court tells Netflix to stop using H.265 video codi... by viktorcode on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:18AM (#38250343)
Netflix is known to experiment and use different codecs. They can switch it in Munich in theory