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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by rayiner on Saturday November 11, 2023 @10:21PM (#38236951)
Doesn’t that just mean we need high tariffs on foreign Internet services? The US invented the Internet at a time when the foreign-born share population of the US was at a century-long low. The US can clearly provide its own software services with domestic workers.

Indeed, it’s not clear to me how these foreign workers are benefitting local economies. Profits from tech companies seem to be accruing to the elites. If you take a middle class California family from 1980, are they and their kids better off due to the immigration-fueled rise of Silicon Valley? Or did all the profits go to the elites and tech salaries just force the kids to move away from their family to Tennessee or Texas?

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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by bubblethink on Sunday November 12, 2023 @12:05AM (#38237490)
>If you take a middle class California family from 1980, are they and their kids better off due to the immigration-fueled rise of Silicon Valley?

Their million dollar houses would suggest so. They can cash out and move to Tennessee or Texas as you point out.

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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by theuppermiddle on Sunday November 12, 2023 @12:55AM (#38237703)
> Profits from tech companies seem to be accruing to the elites.

Is this not the problem that needs to be addressed. Looks like the rich and media have successfully made a scapegoat out of immigrants when the actual problem is the money accuring to the elites and government inefficieny in improving housing supply.

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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by rayiner on Sunday November 12, 2023 @08:42AM (#38239984)
Immigration exacerbates that problem structurally, by introducing a large population of foreigners who have less social capital and political leverage than native born people. More power to elites seems like a natural consequence of immigration.
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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by kelipso on Sunday November 12, 2023 @08:06PM (#38245768)
How? The locals still have the same voting power. The locals just don't care if the money goes to the elites because it perfectly aligns with their politics and worldview (capitalism, etc).
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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by rayiner on Sunday November 12, 2023 @08:56PM (#38246024)
Voting power only helps you (maybe) fix a problem after it’s arisen. But flooding the workforce with immigrant labor creates the problem in the first place by reducing the negotiating leverage of native born workers.

Even in terms of voting power—immigration reduces social solidarity and undermines the economic left in the long run.

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Re:Apple agrees to $25M settlement with US over hiring of im... by selimthegrim on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:30PM (#38258730)
Something had to replace the defense and aerospace industry
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