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Re:Google offered Netflix a sweetheart deal to pay just 10 p... by scarface_74 on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:46AM (#38231878)
I mean that if I’m a business the size of Netflix, I very much care about the difference between “patent encumbered with an open source” implementation and “patent unencumbered”. In the first case, a patent troll can come after me.

On the other hand, if I use H.264 as a large business and I choose to modify the open source implementation and pay the royalties, I’m mostly covered.

Theora was last updated over a decade ago and currently no processor has built in support for it making it a non startee on mobile devices where battery life is at a premium.

And if AV1 meets your definition of “open” why are you complaining about Apple not supporting an “open codec” since Safari supports AV1?

While you may not be interested in talking about the legal system, I can guarantee you that every major company is before they re-encode their library using a codec or add die to the chip to optimize decoding.

Big companies can’t use their patents against small patent trolls who are just holding companies built just to sue large companies.

In other words, it is financially dumb for any large company to support an “open” protocol based on 20 year old technology (when patents expire) or newer supposed “open” codecs that are just as patent encumbered.

Re:Google offered Netflix a sweetheart deal to pay just 10 p... by jchw on Saturday November 11, 2023 @03:08PM (#38234003)
I said iPhone/iPad not Safari. The difference is imperative, since Safari on iOS does NOT support AV1. I have a fully patched iPad, I'm absolutely 100% certain.

Anyway, if it's good enough for Mozilla and Wikipedia and thousands of smaller companies, it's good enough for me. You do you.

Re:Google offered Netflix a sweetheart deal to pay just 10 p... by scarface_74 on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:06PM (#38237194)
You may have a “fully patched iPad”. I assume you don’t have an iPhone 15 Pro or Pro Max with hardware decoding of AV1…

https://bitmovin.com/apple-av1-support/

> The WebKit blog provided more information about Safari 17.0, confirming support for the AV1 video codec was added on devices with hardware decoding support

And if you don’t believe the blog, maybe you believe the caniuse site.

https://caniuse.com/av1

Re:Google offered Netflix a sweetheart deal to pay just 10 p... by jchw on Sunday November 12, 2023 @05:52PM (#38244945)
That is genuinely great news but:

- Only iPhone 15 Pro? not even an iPhone 15? This means almost nothing. You can't just be like, "Oh my site only works on every device except iPhones except iPhone 15 Pro.

- Still no Opus...

I will fully admit that I am out of date on this, by like a couple months. But the reason why I say it like this is because people have been making this claim for years even though it has apparently been true for like two months. Apple is half-assing this every step of the way. It will be like, 2025 before a site can just use AV1 without needing multiple encodings, and at that point you probably still won't be able to use Opus.

Thanks, Apple?

Re:Google offered Netflix a sweetheart deal to pay just 10 p... by scarface_74 on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:33AM (#38250509)
Because only the iPhone 15 Pto series chip has hardware decoding support for AV1. You’ve had to have code for fallback support for other codecs for years.

And Opus support has been around since iOS 11

https://caniuse.com/opus