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Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by reactordev on Saturday November 11, 2023 @10:38AM (#38231261)
Try it then. As someone who smoked and quit and have had friends who smoked and quit who also had heroin habits, they corroborate the difficulty. It’s a different type of struggle but the struggle is strong just the same.
Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by insanitybit on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:08AM (#38231502)
I feel like I shouldn't have to try heroin to understand this. A solid paper on the topic would suffice.
Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by edgyquant on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:39AM (#38231798)
No it wouldn’t unless you can consistently reproduce any found results among differing populations and I have serious doubts such a paper, with said follow ups, exists.
Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by insanitybit on Saturday November 11, 2023 @12:43PM (#38232510)
OK, then I'm going to go with "doesn't sound true"...
Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by PascLeRasc on Saturday November 11, 2023 @08:03PM (#38236231)
There needs to be a term for this mindset where people won't entertain a thought or idea unless there's a study proving that thought is correct in all cases. I can guarantee the person you responded to is a weightlifter.
Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by insanitybit on Sunday November 12, 2023 @05:46AM (#38239104)
That's not the case here at all. I believe lots of things without studies. Something like "heroin and cigarettes are equally addictive" doesn't sound right to me - that's why I need evidence to the contrary. It's a somewhat extraordinary claim, therefor I require some evidence.
Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by reactordev on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:20AM (#38231622)
A simple Google search returns hundreds if not thousands of results.

Here’s one for you https://academic.oup.com/ntr/article/20/9/1038/4096884

Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by insanitybit on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:45AM (#38231873)
That paper does not look like it actually measures addiction, and I don't want to sort through hundreds or thousands of results...

But I don't really care. It doesn't sound true but it also doesn't change anything.

Re:Nicotine: On the benefits and lack of demerits of nicotine by nickelpro on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:10PM (#38233457)
I've quit both cigarettes and a middling amphetamines addiction.

Quitting cigarettes was trivial. I decided not to buy a pack that day and then never bought another pack. That's my anecdotal contribution to the discussion.

Less anecdotally:

Opioid withdrawal, in extreme cases, has killed people from persistent vomiting and diarrhea. It has measurable physical symptoms with an understood pathophysiology largely connected to the cAMP-signaling system.

Nicotine withdrawal is far less understood, to the degree it has been classified at all (mostly in studies of mice). It certainly has never killed anyone, you're not going to shit yourself to death. They're not comparable to one another.