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Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by JAlexoid on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:23PM (#38225928)
Why should someone making 700k be any different than an 80k employee?

Nurses make way less than 700k and should probably be the absolute top of the list.

Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by dataflow on Friday November 10, 2023 @07:08PM (#38226222)
I think their unstated assumption is that higher pay = higher skill = harder to find.
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by rahimnathwani on Friday November 10, 2023 @07:21PM (#38226310)
Why do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy?
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by anonymouskimmer on Saturday November 11, 2023 @12:27AM (#38227891)
> Why do you get to pick which occupations are most worthy?

Citizens of Republics are given the inherent right to debate matters of public policy concern.

Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by rahimnathwani on Saturday November 11, 2023 @12:39AM (#38227922)
That right is inalienable, not given.
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by anonymouskimmer on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:02AM (#38228168)
Good catch.
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by JAlexoid on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @01:40PM (#38267553)
I don't, it's an example that compensation is by far the worst criteria.

I personally think that there should be an open door - don't be a drag on society - policy. If you can get a job, pay your bills - welcome to the USA.

Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by ralph84 on Friday November 10, 2023 @08:34PM (#38226733)
Because if there was actually a shortage of $80k employees the salary would increase. There is no better way to determine where there’s a shortage than the salary.
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by saagarjha on Friday November 10, 2023 @08:50PM (#38226850)
That is categorically not how salaries work. SWE compensation is high because impact per worker is high, and because adding people doesn’t scale linearly, not because they’re somehow much more in demand.
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by vkou on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:42PM (#38227164)
Are you implying that there is an intractable shortage of CEOs in America, that it's MBA education system has utterly failed to meet demand for?

Would that explain why their salaries have skyrocketed over the past few decades?

Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by LeroyRaz on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:38PM (#38227422)
Gosh, it all makes sense now!
Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by dfadsadsf on Saturday November 11, 2023 @01:39AM (#38228087)
There is shortage of world class CEOs in America. If we talk about Fortune 500 (the only ones where CEOs make a bank) - there are literally less than a thousand people who are or have been CEO of such companies. If we accept immigration system premise (you are qualified and are in similar role outside US right now) the pool of available candidates is likely few dozen people worldwide. The fact that millions of people may want that role is irrelevant as they are not qualified.

MBA education system is irrelevant too as it does not produce CEOs - it produces L4/L5 PMs few of whom after 30 years of stellar career will climb to be CEOs.

Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by Racing0461 on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:36PM (#38227130)
> Nurses make way less than 700k and should probably be the absolute top of the list.

actually, nurses are. The process apple discriminated in from the article, nurses are considered by statute to be "approved" so they just move on to the next step (i140/i485 or visa) which is just a rubber stamp assuming all the documents are in order.

> nurses to bypass the PERM certification process is the Schedule A designation. Schedule A is a list of pre-certified occupations that the Department of Labor (DOL) has determined there are not sufficient U.S. workers who are able, willing, qualified, and available. Because of this, employers seeking to hire foreign workers in these occupations do not need to go through the labor certification process, which is what PERM involves.

Re:Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says by dfadsadsf on Saturday November 11, 2023 @01:27AM (#38228055)
Why do you hate nurses and want their salary to go down? You understand that result of nurses getting top of the list priority will be lower salary? You can probably drive nurse salaries all the way down to 30k if US recognizes Philippine nurses degrees.

There is society need to drive down unreasonable salaries (700k at Google) - at minimum more cool stuff will be done in US. It’s much less clear that there is society need to drive down middle class salaries.