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Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by zvmaz on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:33AM (#38220102)
> I would recommend FreeBSD to anyone wanting to jump out of the Linux bandwagon

As a desktop OS?

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by doublerabbit on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:37AM (#38220156)
Totally, it's my daily driver. I now only reboot to Windows if I feel like gaming. Proton is available too.

I use Xfce and Nvidia drivers on a 3060 but AMD worked too when I was using an 5700 XT.

Sound, I'm using a PreSonus via USB

Ethernet (realtek) too works nicely.

WiFi I've not attempted but probably would. Can't fault it.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by jasaldivara on Friday November 10, 2023 @10:41AM (#38220210)
What advantages do you find over Linux?
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by torstenvl on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:06AM (#38220531)
You know how there's a constant stream of weird things Linux does that annoy and confuse you? Like .sudo_as_admin_successful showing up in your home directory with no way to turn it off and nothing really documented anywhere? Or being afraid to upgrade because you don't know which method won't clobber your custom kernel modules?

That stuff happens a lot less on FreeBSD.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by BirAdam on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:22AM (#38220742)
You can get rid of a lot of unexpected behavior just by using Slackware. I like the BSDs, but I also like having broader hardware and software compatibility.
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by torstenvl on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:22PM (#38221595)
Sure. I'm not married to the FreeBSD kernel, but to the BSD approach generally.

If someone did the opposite of Debian/kFreeBSD I would be interested. FreeBSD/kLinux?

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:45PM (#38221946)
Chimera Linux?
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by yjftsjthsd-h on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:45PM (#38221941)
> Since its first beta release in April of 1993, the Slackware Linux Project has aimed at producing the most "UNIX-like" Linux distribution out there.

- http://www.slackware.com/info/

A person could reasonably argue that Slackware was always a BSD that happened to you the that happened to use the Linux kernel:)

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by 79a6ed87 on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:16PM (#38221503)
I've only seen that in Debian-based or Ubuntu-based distributions
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by doublerabbit on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:20AM (#38220721)
It's not Linux. I have more than one gripe with Linux and FreeBSD free those. Yes Linux can do all those things but that's not the reason here.

The kernel feels solid and bHyve is a goddess.

Jails are great for running isolated browsers with sound.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by livrem on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:01PM (#38222170)
> bHyve is a goddess

Does it work well with graphics?

I just started using FreeBSD and one of the first thing I did was to follow the Handbook instructions to set up a minimal Debian in Bhyve that I then used to access my old Linux partitions to copy files. Works very well for that and I have no complaints, but I also can't say I noticed any major improvement over Qemu?

But I made a quick attempt to also install something with graphics, probably Lubuntu, and I did not get that to boot. Is the graphics good enough to play games and run some Linux-only applications with reasonable performance?

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by doublerabbit on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:03PM (#38224494)
The hypervisor is not enterprise like VMware where you can easily pass 3D accelerated adapters. But it's still very usable over remote-desktop. Windows Server works a charm, as does Linux Desktops via VNC or whatever remote protocol you use.

You can pass though hardware devices including graphic cards but you need to have it as a secondary and unused. bHyve is unable to use the primary card as well as a shared device for the guest.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by wkat4242 on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:35PM (#38227126)
Yeah the thing is that bhyve doesn't seem to have an emulated console like the other virtualization solutions out there. That makes things a little more cumbersome.

I'm not even talking about 3D passthrough. Just a fake VGA adapter you can see in a window so you can run an installer.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by ptx on Saturday November 11, 2023 @05:20PM (#38235168)
It provides a graphical console over VNC: https://github.com/churchers/vm-bhyve/wiki/UEFI-Graphics-(VN...
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by wkat4242 on Saturday November 11, 2023 @07:47PM (#38236144)
Oh that's not too bad, I thought graphics always needed host OS network support. I'll try it, thanks!
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by wkat4242 on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:36PM (#38227133)
The browsers in a jail is a lot of work to install and maintain though. I wish that was more of a click and go. Doesn't have to be easy mode of course but it could really do with a bit of automation.
Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by drewg123 on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:45AM (#38221063)
I've used it as my desktop OS since 1999 or so (first on FreeBSD's DEC Alpha port, so as to eat my on dogfood as I was one of the main contributors to the alpha port), with a brief detour running Ubuntu Linux on x86 when I was doing almost 100% linux work from 2010-2015 or so.

I run very basic GPU (GTX 750), use ZFS for everything, run lxde, and use linux firefox as my main web browser (via the LinuxJails project at https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails).

For day-to-day use its nearly the same as linux, and runs nearly the same apps as linux. The biggest frustration I have is "linux recipes" for doing things often don't work (naturally, since the OS is different), and electron apps are a crapshoot, since the electron is chrome, and the emulation needed for chrome is incomplete. For example, I'm listening to spotify right now and I can listen to playlists, but can't just play a song..

EDIT: One the things I loved about Ubuntu LTS is the packages being essentially frozen, aside from security fixes. FreeBSD is a "rolling release" OS for 3rd party packages, even on stable branches. That's one of the reasons that I use the ubuntu LTS firefox ... I can apt-get update & apt-get upgrade just the web browser and its dependencies, rather than the 1700 unrelated packages that I'd need to update just to get the newest firefox.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by wkat4242 on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:39PM (#38227146)
Vscode is also Electron and works great though. Chromium itself too.

For Spotify I use spotify-qt which is ok (not great) though with the latest version from ports it refuses to store my password in the KDE keychain any longer :(

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by drewg123 on Sunday November 12, 2023 @11:44AM (#38241762)
I use spotifyd and control the music from my phone most of the time.

I mostly don't care if I have the latest version of libfoo, but I do care that I have the latest version of anything exposed to the internet (eg, firefox), and any security updates required to libfoo.

What I hate is when I do a pkg update; pkg upgrade firefox and it pulls in 1000+ pkg updates via dependency chains, some of which change how things work. That's why I like the linux jail approach. Back in the old days (early/mid 2000s) when things were simpler, I still ran linux web browsers for the same reason. I could just download the tarball from mozilla or opera or whatever and update to the latest browser binary without taking a chance on fubar'ing my system.

Re:FreeBSD 14.0 has reached – RELEASE by CoolCold on Thursday November 16, 2023 @06:18PM (#38297055)
You are probably the first FreeBSD guy who understands [and likes] the LTS option one can get with Linux world. Many from FreeBSD crowd just don't get the plain idea of LTS at all. Kudos!