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Re:Whither Philosophy? by GoblinSlayer on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:48AM (#38216242)
That doesn't look like an independent verification: it's done by humans engrossed in math. If math was verified by someone who doesn't believe in math, that would be independent. But such things don't happen, naturally stuff are verified by people already interested in the topic. If you don't believe in math, you won't bother to verify it.
Re:Whither Philosophy? by dventimi on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:07AM (#38220548)
Do you think non aircraft engineers who fly in airplanes would tend to have their confidence increased, or decreased, if they discovered their airline had hired mechanics without checking their qualifications?
Re:Whither Philosophy? by GoblinSlayer on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:51PM (#38223640)
That's trust based on belief that qualification checking is supposed to work. Again layman here can't be bothered to verify anything, belief is enough.
Re:Whither Philosophy? by dventimi on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:42PM (#38224252)
I think you're forgetting how we got here. fastaguy88 wrote

> I am not particularly knowledgeable about philosophy as a modern discipline, but taking philosophy courses as an undergraduate taught me a lot, particularly about the limits of knowledge and scientific enquiry.

to which I replied

> The trouble is, we have to take your word for it that philosophy taught you a lot that the rest of us find useful, as there's little Independent verification

Personally, I don't trust anyone to certify that someone else has learned "a lot...about the limits of knowledge and scientific enquiry" the way I trust the FAA to certify (indirectly) that someone has learned aircraft mechanics, or the State Bar of California to certify that someone has learned California law. Do you?