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Re:Whither Philosophy? by kbrkbr on Thursday November 09, 2023 @04:31AM (#38202862)
I hope we can all agree that science works reasonably well in gathering knowledge. Because we can use it to do things.

You are saying metaphysics is about the "why" of this.

I agree.

I disagree that there has been a way or method of producing metaphysics that seems to work well. The evidence is that we have so many incompatible systems that all claim to be true.

Re:Whither Philosophy? by mistermann on Thursday November 09, 2023 @09:54AM (#38205740)
> The evidence is that we have so many incompatible systems that all claim to be true.

Imagine the mess science would be if it brought this level of accuracy and epistemology to the table when thinking.

Re:Whither Philosophy? by kbrkbr on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:52AM (#38207453)
I probably don't understand clearly enough. Physics, chemistry, biology, even psychology have textbooks. Pick one, it doesn't matter much. It will teach you roughly the same basic things.

Philosophy on the other hand. Pick Searle or Derrida, pick Quine or the late Heidegger, and it is hard to conceive that they are even doing the same thing ("philosophy").

Re:Whither Philosophy? by dragonwriter on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:56AM (#38207503)
Philosophy used to include all of physics, chemistry, biology, etc.

What it retains is everything that hasn't gotten pulled out into its own named discipline. Which is something of a jumble, sure.

Re:Whither Philosophy? by mistermann on Thursday November 09, 2023 @08:30PM (#38213909)
>I probably don't understand clearly enough. Physics, chemistry, biology, even psychology have textbooks. Pick one, it doesn't matter much. It will teach you roughly the same basic things.

And generally speaking, the practitioners of these disciplines tend to assert that their findings are true, in fact. Whether they are actually true....well, interest in that tends to drop off quite rapidly.

Welcome to Planet Earth, 2023, please enjoy your stay.

>Philosophy on the other hand. Pick Searle or Derrida, pick Quine or the late Heidegger, and it is hard to conceive that they are even doing the same thing ("philosophy").

Investigating the mysterious extremes of a system is a lot harder than investigating the known to be (now, after many decades of very hard work and dedication) deterministic middle ground.

At the end of the day, everyone is doing their best, and Mother Nature will award us with the fruits of our collective activities...unfortunately, our (projected) rewards seem to be taking a steeply downward trajectory with this whole climate change thing. Shame there seems to be not much we can (actually) do about it, despite our over-abundance of surely fantastic ideas.

Re:Whither Philosophy? by GoblinSlayer on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:40PM (#38225540)
It certainly looks like philosophers use genetic search algorithm to make better ideas, so there are many mutants, but the method is known to perform well in the situation when the result can't be deduced straightforwardly.
Re:Whither Philosophy? by GoblinSlayer on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:25PM (#38225391)
>Philosophy on the other hand.

Filter it by the tag "naturalism". Where's semantic web, again?