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Re:Google argues iMessage should be regulated by the EU's Di... by kelnos on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @04:07PM (#38197041)
> Is it actually universally E2E or only some? I find some reddit posts implying it's some.

The E2EE on RCS is an extension to the protocol developed by Google. I don't know who has implemented it other than Google. So if a user is on a carrier that does their own RCS impl (many carriers piggyback off of Google's so they don't have to deal with it), they may not have E2EE.

> Do all RCS messages go through Google's servers?

If your carrier isn't using Google's implementation, and you're messaging someone on a carrier also not using Google's implementation, then it won't go through Google's servers. Otherwise, it will. In theory, this won't matter, assuming the E2EE is implemented correctly and securely. I don't know if an audit has been done, though.

There's also the case where one person is on a carrier using Google's impl, and the other is on a carrier that is not, and that carrier has not implemented E2EE. Then the message will go through Google's servers, and Google will be able to read it.

This is how I understand it, anyway; I don't intimately know the details of the protocol, so this might not be 100% correct.

Re:Google argues iMessage should be regulated by the EU's Di... by nerdjon on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @04:20PM (#38197228)
Interesting, assuming this is all correct (I tried to look around and the information on this seems to be purposefully vague from a marketing standpoint for RCS.).

I am perfectly fine with Apple not rushing to implement RCS. It may be a business decision for their part but any chance that the messages information will go through Google's servers is a full no go for me and is not a valid alternative in my opinion.

Even if it is encrypted (which seems to not be guaranteed anyways), it still gives Google data I don't care for them to have.

Re:Google argues iMessage should be regulated by the EU's Di... by pests on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @05:21PM (#38197988)
If you don't use iPhone and Apple implements RCS then it is your decision to send data to Google by your choice of which phone you choose.

If you do use iPhone then you could selectively choose not to RCS texts contacts that you know use a Google RCS implementation.

Re:Google argues iMessage should be regulated by the EU's Di... by nerdjon on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @05:30PM (#38198118)
That doesn't seem to be the case based on how I am understanding what was said?

If RCS goes through my carrier it is up to my carrier if it's Google's implementation or not? Meaning Google's servers or not?

If the person I am talking too is on an Android phone I would also assume the same, that the text is likely going through Google's servers at some point.

Needing to know whether or not a specific contact is using Google's RCS implementation seems like quite the hassle when "Google" is the flaw for RCS in my opinion.

If I am misunderstanding, I would love to be corrected.

Re:Google argues iMessage should be regulated by the EU's Di... by pests on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:47PM (#38199416)
Oops. I had a brain fart and was linking RCS to phone model not to service provider. You should be correct afaik.