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Re:Google's Open Culture Collides with the Israel-Hamas War by nailer on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @03:05PM (#38196160)
> how many were settlers in stolen land?

Zero.

Jews were in Israel under: Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Crusaders, Ottomans and the British.

Look at the Al Aqsa mosque. See the giant thing underneath it?

Before 1948, they purchased land from Ottomans. After 1948 Arab states kept declaring war on Israel and losing, making Israel larger.

Re:Google's Open Culture Collides with the Israel-Hamas War by activescott on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:36PM (#38201234)
This is a bit more complicated. Jews were in Palestine before 1948 and lived alongside Arabs in peace throughout the Ottoman Empire. They often fled persecution in Europe to the Ottoman Empire: https://en.wikipedia.orgt/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_the_Ot...

The historical timeline of Palestine leading up to and since 1948 is https://www.un.org/unispal/historical-timeline/

The timeline is good overall, but the four-minute video there is a good summary. A direct link to the video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjMbe24Vu0.

Re:Google's Open Culture Collides with the Israel-Hamas War by nailer on Thursday November 09, 2023 @03:27AM (#38202457)
> lived alongside Arabs in peace throughout the Ottoman Empire

No. Multiple violent confrontations. You can find ample sources for this. Partition into jewish and Arab states was to avoid bloodshed.

> The historical timeline of Palestine leading up to and since 1948

This is a bizarre document that starts in 1885, at minimum you would start about 136AD with the renaming of Israel to Philestinea by the Romans. But then again, the UN is famously run by various tinpot dictators that raise more resolutions against Israel than themselves.

Re:Google's Open Culture Collides with the Israel-Hamas War by activescott on Thursday November 09, 2023 @01:17PM (#38208625)
I have cited sources that include a balanced account of Jews living alongside Arabs in peace throughout the Ottoman Empire for hundreds of years. Neither I or the source I cited indicates there was zero violence. If you read into it, you'll find violence started escalating in the 19th century after nationalism was introduced. Over hundreds of years, is there anywhere where anyone didn't encounter "multiple" violent confrontations? If zero violent confrontations is the standard we're judging by, I don't think any country will meet that standard.

I'm not sure why a factual account of history is "bizarre" because it starts in 1885. The "Jews were there first" argument, the idea that we should redrew the world as it was 2000+ years ago (but ignore the subsequent ~1000 years), isn't a new one. I just always wonder why the logic only applies to Palestine, but somehow not the rest of the world.

Re:Google's Open Culture Collides with the Israel-Hamas War by nailer on Thursday November 09, 2023 @10:19AM (#38206082)
Not complaining about moderation, but it's bizarre that a series of well-accepted historical facts would be moderated to minus three.