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Re:Wikipedia Became the Last Good Place on the Internet by TaylorAlexander on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:48PM (#38194108)
Hmm I guess I would like to add some nuance. I’m a trans woman, and I have thought a whole lot about gendered roles in our society. Indeed, women and afab people are taught in our society to behave a certain way - to be deferential to men, to please others, and to avoid confrontation. Men and amab people are taught to speak their minds, not shy away from confrontation, and to be direct. This cultural pattern is indeed sexist - it seems to be driven by a patriarchal society.

But as observers if we are cautious about what we are saying, it can be okay to point out that women are socialized a certain way and this can lead to certain conversational patterns. We need to be careful to realize this is not some biological thing (hormones make impressive changes but this isn’t one of them), but I think it’s okay to point out common socialization differences if we are careful to attribute them to socialization. At least it can be okay. Certainly it is a delicate subject.

Re:Wikipedia Became the Last Good Place on the Internet by snyedd on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @02:22PM (#38195546)
Indeed. Men pretending to be women, and women being deferential to this insulting charade, is evidence of a patriarchal society. You wouldn't get away with any of this "trans woman" nonsense in a matriarchy, or even just in a society where women are respected rather than considered objects to use and wear for men's enjoyment.
Re:Wikipedia Became the Last Good Place on the Internet by TaylorAlexander on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @02:55PM (#38195998)
Trans people have always existed and we will continue to exist forever. My existence is not pretend, my existence is not a fad, and we will never be eliminated. Your dreams of a society without us will not be fulfilled, and if you do not change and grow and learn to understand what we are, society will pass you by and your thoughts will grow ever more irrelevant.
Re:Wikipedia Became the Last Good Place on the Internet by snyedd on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @03:08PM (#38196200)
You can attempt to indulge your male woman-fantasy all you like, but it is ultimately meaningless. You are not a woman and you will never be a woman.