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Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by TraspSE on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:16AM (#38192530)
In Sweden, more than 90% of labor is covered by collective agreements. A company like Tesla coming in and breaking all of the unwritten rules threatens the Swedish model is bound to meet heavy resistance from Swedish labor in full, and most unions are members of the same umbrella organization (LO) so that they can organize across sectors when needed.

While the US regulates strikes and minimum wages by law, it is in Sweden regulated by collective agreements. So, Tesla is choosing to allow these strikes against them by not signing it. They're the ones to blame for any action that stems from this decision, no-one else.

Can you imagine the outrage that would come from a Swedish company coming to the US, trying to change fundamental mechanics of the system there without the support of its citizens? Why shouldn't this scenario result in the same outrage and resistance here in Sweden?

The solution is simple, sign the agreement - as is custom here in Sweden. If they can't conform to Swedish customs then they are perfectly free to leave.

Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by Janicc on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:55AM (#38193202)
I hope they do leave and take their oh so horrible jobs with them. Never bow down to intimidation from crooks.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by sprak on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:16AM (#38192535)
I agree that it is shocking behaviour - of Tesla to act like they did. They should know better, McDonald's tried the same thing in the 80's:

https://youtu.be/YufOHFaIydc?si=Zdbl3-GsiZQpZ_GA

Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by gamache on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:14AM (#38192494)
They are acting like organized labor! And all strikes are aimed at individual companies.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by throwawa14223 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:15AM (#38192525)
It's a cartel shaking down a company, if that's organized labor it should be illegal.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by cyberax on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:20AM (#38192606)
OK. What if a company wants to close a plant, because it's not profitable enough? It's also an organized (corporate) action, so it must be disallowed?
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by throwawa14223 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:23AM (#38192651)
One of those is a business decision about what to do with their private property the other is an external actor demanding what you do with your private property.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by JCWasmx86 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:24AM (#38192672)
One is a business decision, the other one is people exercising their rights.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by throwawa14223 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:28AM (#38192729)
People don't have rights over others private property that's the of the basis of human rights.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by gingersnap on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:40AM (#38192911)
The company control their private property. The labour can only control their own labour, so they choose to use that control. How is that not in their right?
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by throwawa14223 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:47AM (#38193037)
I totally agree, they all have the right to not work there, but they don't really have a right to prevent others from delivering packages to a building.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by cyberax on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @12:10PM (#38193471)
Nobody is preventing that. Other workers _voluntarily_ refuse to provide their services to Tesla.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by JCWasmx86 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:36AM (#38192855)
Yes, but people still have the right to say "Pay us $X and ensure safe working conditions or we strike" Tesla can either withdraw or negotiate. Nobody's right is infringed here, it's just free market. Especially as usually the workers have it worse than companies.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by cyberax on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:50AM (#38193111)
> People don't have rights over others private property

Have the workers looted Tesla's plants? Are they burning down Tesla cars in transit?

No?

Then fuck off. Workers are simply negotiating for a fair price for THEIR private property - the labor services that they provide.

Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by cyberax on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:48AM (#38193075)
> the other is an external actor demanding what you do with your private property.

And why is that bad? You've just described a negotiation between two private parties. In any negotiation, parties try to get their counterparty to do something with their property.

Workers are negotiating with the company about the sale of private property that they possess (aka "labor services"). Of course, workers can also organize together, it's simply an exercise in free speech.

Heck, it's as libertarian as it can be.

Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by avgcorrection on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:16AM (#38192536)
Please explain how this is akin to organized crime. I’m dying to know.
Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by basro on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:29PM (#38194719)
I think I agree that it's akin to organized crime, it's a case of "the goal justifies the means".

You see the goal of forcing union usage as a noble thing so you agree with these means. If the goal was one that you don't see as noble you'd definitely agree that it's very organized crime like.

Re:Swedish unions strike: Blocks mail and package deliveries... by avgcorrection on Thursday November 09, 2023 @10:21AM (#38206122)
So I would agree that it is criminal if I didn’t like it. That doesn’t tell me anything.

> If the goal was one that you don't see as noble you'd definitely agree that it's very organized crime like.

Categorizing things as being criminal is a juvenile sort of thinking.