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Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by aurareturn on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:17AM (#38187329)
>Until then AV is rich people choice.

Just came back from Shenzen. ~50% of cars on the road are EVs. 100% of Didi (China's Uber) are EVs due to cost/mile being cheaper than ICE.

So it isn't a rich people choice in China.

Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by dnedic on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @03:34AM (#38188005)
Just came back from Shanghai, same situation, BUT from talking to people there are three big reasons for that:

1. The government built the EV charger infrastructure so that even the remotest areas are covered, the chargers have one universal way to use them and you can't go far without seeing one

2. In big cities China made car registration much more expensive for non-EVs

3. Prices of EVs in china are much lower than anywhere in the world

None of these apply for Europe or US, and I am doutbful they can make a swift transition like China can.

Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by TheLoafOfBread on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @04:01AM (#38188144)
4. Electric energy is price capped in China.
Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by Turskarama on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @05:37AM (#38188665)
The electricity price isn't the issue, over 10 years EVs are cheaper to run than ICE vehicles anywhere in the world. The problem is the upfront cost, it doesn't matter if it's cheaper in the long run if you can't afford it now.
Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by aurareturn on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @04:58AM (#38188448)
>None of these apply for Europe or US, and I am doutbful they can make a swift transition like China can.

If the US government would allow Chinese EV car makers to enter the market without friction, the price of EVs in the US would drop rapidly. But I think the anti-China smearing campaign and protectionist policies do a good job of preventing that.

Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by thelastgallon on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:08AM (#38190474)
This. VW has to sell their EVs at 16 - 17K to compete in China, they sell the same for more than 2x in other markets.
Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by helge9210 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @05:50AM (#38188738)
> Prices of EVs in china are much lower

In Germany new Tesla Model 3 is cheaper than any comparable (275 HP, multimedia, cruise control, full size) ICE car.

Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by dnedic on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:22AM (#38189440)
Still far more expensive than any electric car including the same Tesla model in China.
Re:EV Sales Now Equal 17% of World Auto Sales by thelastgallon on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:01AM (#38190381)
Charging doesn't mean infrastructure like roads, bridges. If there is a building, it already has electricity. Running a cable from the building to parking lot (10s of feet) is not really that complicated. Also most countries are on 220V/240V standard, a regular outlet works perfectly fine.