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Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by meindnoch on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:14AM (#38176350)
In a knowledge economy, lead poisoning is basically a death sentence. Those IQ points are lost permanently. So you're put in permanent disadvantage at every level of education, workforce, healthcare (IQ correlates with earnings, and money is needed for good healthcare), judicial system (lower IQ correlates with criminal behavior), etc.

People tainting our food supply with lead should be put behind bars for life.

Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by ekidd on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:20AM (#38176392)
"Death sentence" is an exaggeration, but accute and chronic lead poisoning are no joke: https://today.duke.edu/2022/03/lead-exposure-last-century-sh...

It causes long-term loss of IQ, and it is the main suspect for elevated crime levels in the lead-crime hypothesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis

Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by menacingly on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:27AM (#38176458)
It's not an exaggeration, OP meant in the context of a knowledge economy. the IQ and crime issues you mention strongly support this statement.
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by siftrics on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:29AM (#38176484)
Without commenting on how likely it is the hypothesis is true, the lead-crime hypothesis has always been academic handwaving to make a different, political point.
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by Anotheroneagain on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:25AM (#38176440)
And for some reason we thrived poisoned and are failing lead free....
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by hgomersall on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:39AM (#38176558)
Arguably we're now seeing the political system controlled by geriatrics that grew up in the leaded fuel era.
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by Anotheroneagain on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:47AM (#38176632)
No, we see the consequences that it causes in young people: The loss of sense of priority, the loss of capacity for independent discovery and the judment of reasonableness, the disruption of normal thinking (leading to making things up, to outright paranoia and psychosis).
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by constantly on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @10:07AM (#38177598)
Ok boomer.
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by throwawaymaths on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @09:33AM (#38177171)
In the pre leaded gas era, there were cane beatings on the floor of Congress!
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by lm28469 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:26AM (#38176451)
Air pollution has a greater impact, both in IQ loss and people impacted, nobody cares really
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by meindnoch on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @09:34AM (#38177183)
Air pollution affects almost everyone equally. It's horrible, but it doesn't put particular individuals at greater disadvantage compared to the rest of the population. E.g. it degrades everyone's SAT scores. Whereas lead poisoning is only affecting those that consumed that particular tainted product.
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by lm28469 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @10:00AM (#38177504)
> Air pollution affects almost everyone equally.

Not at all, living next to a major road is massively different from living even a few blocks away. Same for highways etc.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498530/

Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @08:57AM (#38176730)
It sort of depends on the nature of the contamination. If it ends up being negligence, if they ever hid anything about it, absolutely. Jail for the executives, fines for the major shareholders.

And if it's not negligence then maybe we need to raise the bar for testing such that any contamination indeed counts as negligence.

But lead is a pretty common metal. If it turns out that there's an undiscovered recessive gene for lead hyperaccumulation in the cinnamon tee and that tragedies like this are how it gets discovered, then we need to focus on raising the testing bar and not on punishment. Otherwise we create a situation where people are incentivized to hide data that could ultimately help prevent things like this in the future.

Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by nameless912 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @12:53PM (#38180266)
> If it turns out that there's an undiscovered recessive gene for lead hyperaccumulation in the cinnamon tee and that tragedies like this are how it gets discovered

That's not what happens though, lead poisoning in spices is ~always shady actors adding pigment that's lead-heavy to make the spice (for example, cinnamon, turmeric, ground ginger, paprika) appear more vibrant in color. The Indian government did a whole bunch of work to fight against this a few years back; ultimately it's suppliers trying to adulterate their product to save money and make it look better than it is. This should absolutely be a serious crime, on the level of intentionally shipping any other dangerous product: jail time for executives, huge financial penalties for companies.

Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @07:18PM (#38185071)
I see. If it's not fentanyl it's lead.

Why are markets trying to kill us?

Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by nameless912 on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:41AM (#38207274)
Because capitalism doesn't provide enough of a punishment mechanism to discourage this type of behavior? Especially the protectionist crony capitalism that exists in most of the "free world".
Re:Toxic toddler fruit pouches: "high" lead levels sicken 7 ... by softg on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @10:21AM (#38177787)
I mean having better cognitive skills would help you in almost any job or any situation regardless of your employment. You're put at a permanent disadvantage no matter where or when.