I guess the same could be said about capitalism, too. The vision of a society that achieved minimizing exploitation of its members and turned it into a much more cooperative system is quite beautiful, I would say.

The historical reality of both systems is anything but.

Capitalism doesn’t really attempt to be a coherent ideology with some set of predefined dogmas.

> The historical reality of both systems is anything but.

To what do you attribute the massive improvements in life expectancy, medicine, overall QOL and other things over the last ~200 years or so?

> To what do you attribute the massive improvements in life expectancy, medicine, overall QOL and other things over the last ~200 years or so?

not capitalism but technology

Louis Pasteur was from France which was a monarchy and had just come out of a Napoleonic dictatorship and big government stimulated economy...when he discovered germ theory.

Einstein was a patent clerk he didn't get any venture capital funding.

The internet is a result of government funding.

Government and private industry BOTH have funded tons of successful scientific breakthroughs.

Capitalism is not responsible for QOL improvements...technology is.

Capitalism has actually jacked up the cost of health care in America to the highest of any country in the world with the worse outcomes than many countries.

capitalism is leading to monopolistic conditions in many areas of the country.

it's clear that government's and capitalism need each other and unchecked unregulated versions of either lead to dysfunctional systems.