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Re:Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an unce... by explaininjs on Sunday November 05, 2023 @10:58PM (#38158675)
Bad to you perhaps, great for the people who take pride in being at "the most exclusive" places. Which is a not-insignificant amount of people.
Re:Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an unce... by Blahah on Monday November 06, 2023 @12:27AM (#38159193)
That's genuinely nothing to do with why the Berlin clubs with strict entry policies are great. The experience inside doesn't feel exclusive, it's beautiful - people being free and really immersed in the music, supporting and taking care of one another, creating myriad moments of connection and joy, and a very much lower rate of people being obnoxious or in conflict than in a regular club. It's totally unlike being in a club that doesn't have the same kind of entry standards, and each club has a unique culture that is upheld in part by their door staff.
Re:Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an unce... by kodapoda on Monday November 06, 2023 @01:28AM (#38159501)
Exactly, I feel like people who complain about this have never experienced anything close to what you describe. Strict door policy benefits the club goers. If you want to go pick up girls with some sweaty dudes looking for a fight - that's fine, there are many clubs like that in any European country, including Germany.
Re:Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an unce... by worklaptopacct on Monday November 06, 2023 @08:37AM (#38162395)
That's 100% the thing. KitKat for example has recently been taking hits to its reputation because there have been instances of groping in there and they've been ignored by the club stuff. Now that they let Till Lindemann in a few weeks ago even though there have been active accusations of sexual harassment against him, they are completely done for with anyone who cares. In contrast, places like Berghain are blind to fame - there have been stories of celebrities like Björk being turned away at the entrance.
Re:Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an unce... by Blahah on Monday November 06, 2023 @05:26PM (#38169992)
Been away from Berlin for 7 months or so and I'm really saddened and surprised to hear that about KitKat. It's a complex line to navigate in there always but that's part of the beauty of it - I've had plenty of uncomfortable or challenging experiences in there but always felt fundamentally safe, and know many of my friends, especially women, find it a safe (but sometimes challenging) space. It really does depend on the whole culture participating in holding the line, and it sounds like it's faltering recently.

My experience of KitKat is that unwanted attention of any kind (which depending on the night might not be super rare) is quickly shut down by the people in the immediate area before the staff even get close, and then the staff respond very quickly to it, especially if someone who is a regular calls attention.

Re:Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an unce... by wkat4242 on Monday November 06, 2023 @06:38PM (#38170880)
I've only heard great things about KitKat even from people who live in Berlin. It's a bit of a Mekka according to the people in the scene here.

The scene is prone to issues and what we do in my town is not allowing new people unless they have a fet account and/or accompanied by a regular. Not sure if that's the case over there.

I really hope I can visit it one day but I'm really afraid of travelling all the way there and being refused..