Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @02:36PM
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Government Policy? Maybe a bit crazy for HN...
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Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by glimshe on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:01PM
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What kind of policies you believe would affect rents in the short to medium term? Progressive cities have tried all kinds of things, with little in terms of results.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:07PM
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Short and medium? That's probably a tough ask besides subsidiaries. But also allow fast redevelopment of office space. In Germany there was and is the "Munich" effect. Zone too many office districts so office space is cheap and companies move there. So also more mixed use zoning for white color work places for short commutes
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by Detrytus on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:01PM
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So what? government just orders lower rents for current renters? That might work short term, but in the longer one it will simply destroy the local property market. No one will be willing to build housing anymore, as it won't be profitable. The city will slowly gentrify and die.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:05PM
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As I posted below and also public transport as mentioned in other comments
Change zoning rules. Incentives for co-living. Reduce flat sizes. Rebuilt office spaces. Or look to Vienna: a big stock of goverment-owned flats with low prices which makes it hard to charge more than those.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by mcntsh on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:06PM
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In Berlin they did this with the "Mietendeckel" and the result was unsurprising (supply shortages, black markets).
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:12PM
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They at least tried, but also it was abbolished bc it was unconstitutional. So the current market is not bc of it.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by mcntsh on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:21PM
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The current market still suffers from other forms of government regulation. The Mietendeckel still exists in some form via the Mietenspiegel, and basically the entire city under what Americans understand as rent-control.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:28PM
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How does it suffer to make it illegal to charge 10% more or less than the average for comparable housing? It seems to make it more stable and less volatile.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by mcntsh on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:33PM
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Go look up the Mietenspiegel price for your flat in your neighborhood, then pop open Immoscout and try and find one for that price.
Price controls = supply shortages. Basic principal of market economics.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:42PM
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But how does the market suffer from that? It implies that the Mietenspiegel is a bad policy. It only protects from price gauging or price dumping. If you are living in Berlin I would highly recommend looking up if you're paying too much.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by thriftwy on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:06PM
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Lines of 50 people to see an apartment sounds like a huge waste of man hours, which cost money to economy. This waste also grows quadratically: more people searching for longer.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by snovv_crash on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:15PM
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Which government policies exactly would you suggest that don't involve building more houses or convincing people to move elsewhere?
Remember, this is Switzerland, so you need to convince the population that this is a good idea otherwise they will block it with a popular vote. So confiscation of property or forced labour or increased taxes are all out of the question.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich
by strohwueste on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:24PM
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I agree I should have written a more constructive comment with more details. But I thought it was clear how policy can help in the short/medium/long-term. Please read the answers I wrote to the commenters below/above