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Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by pclmulqdq on Friday November 03, 2023 @10:04AM (#38128941)
You mean the one concrete example of the mob boss who got 5 years for 19 murders because he cooperated, right? In your mind, are 19 murders equivalent to 7 counts of fraud?

Do you realize that those 19 murders likely carried 19 consecutive life sentences as a maximum sentence?

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by scott_w on Friday November 03, 2023 @10:42AM (#38129541)
That's not how sentencing guidelines work. The judge won't look at what was handed out to a murderer to decide how to handle a fraud case. They'll look at fraud cases to decide that.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by pclmulqdq on Friday November 03, 2023 @10:50AM (#38129679)
The parent commenter had decided that "life for 19 murders = 110 years for fraud," so she would get 3-5 years. I agree with you that they are not analogous.

However, all of the expert opinion I have seen on this suggests that there will be no jail time.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by semiquaver on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:35PM (#38132989)
There was a murder example and a fraud example in the article. Comparison is different than equation.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by dragonwriter on Friday November 03, 2023 @12:29PM (#38131075)
Well, no, the way the guidelines work is that they’ll look at the guidelines themselves.

But presumably there will be at least some effort to secure a substantial downward departure from the guidelines sentence.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by scott_w on Saturday November 04, 2023 @01:09AM (#38138332)
Well yes but that’s kind of a roundabout way of comparing fraud sentences with fraud sentences ;-)
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by AtlasBarfed on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:04PM (#38133480)
And fraud is nonviolent! Plus no repeat offender, and soft slush money and influence that the judicial system is awash in.

SBF even if he gets a huge sentence will just get eventually pardoned after 6-10 years. Again, soft slush money.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by eric_cc on Friday November 03, 2023 @04:01PM (#38134239)
> even if he gets a huge sentence will just get eventually pardoned after 6-10 years

According to you? Because “trust me bro”? What are basing this on?

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by AtlasBarfed on Saturday November 04, 2023 @12:18PM (#38142447)
Well, you see, when presidents come out of office, a bunch of things start happening which the general public is pretty ignorant of:

- they go visit the Saudi rulers. Yes, the most powerful political leader goes TO SAUDI ARABIA to kiss ass. Why?

- they begin planning/fundraising for a "presidential library"

- they plan their "offices", often with donations

- they have the power to pardon people with no restriction

- ye old speech circuit

- in a similar vein, the Trump inauguration exposed the various inauguration slush funds used by presidents over the years when they get elected.

In case you don't get it, all of this involves slush money and backchannels and the like. Granted the pardon power is more visible than most since Clinton pardoned a lot of white collar stuff: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-wil... particularly Marc Rich.

And the old game of announced sentences vs the actual amounts served is often hilarious.

Between "good behavior", connections to get in lower security facilities, reduction on appeal, and of course there are tricks like only having to show up to actual prison months after sentencing (Elizabeth Holmes took 5 months before actually having to report to prison).

Yeah the feds don't do as lenient good behavior, but you can still get 54 days credit per year served.

There's other tricks. SBF might be able to help recover funds if he cooperates after conviction, and that can lead to prison being delayed further.

So sure it seems like SBF is getting his comeuppance, and he's way too famous for reductions, but the news cycle is remarkably fast, and the public will forget about him in a year or two.

Kenneth Lay allegedly died of a heart attack before going to prison. Now, I would like to assume that was above board, but based on a couple of my relatives dying, death is a bunch of forms and a cremation of ... some body.

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by michaelt on Friday November 03, 2023 @11:01AM (#38129831)
> In your mind, are 19 murders equivalent to 7 counts of fraud?

Well, it was a very big fraud.

If the median prison sentence for nonviolent theft of a $30,000 car is 2 years, why shouldn't the prison sentence for stealing $3 billion be 200,000 years?

Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by pclmulqdq on Friday November 03, 2023 @12:06PM (#38130754)
Because that's not how any of this works.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by ttymck on Friday November 03, 2023 @12:18PM (#38130911)
Surely it's because anything over ~100 years is the "maximum punishment": you die before you see freedom. Sentences are scaled to the human lifespan.
Re:Sam Bankman-Fried found guilty on all charges by kspacewalk2 on Friday November 03, 2023 @11:17AM (#38130086)
Hey, that mob boss has a Youtube channel!

https://www.youtube.com/@officialsammythebull