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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by throwaway2037 on Friday November 03, 2023 @09:03AM (#38128086)

    it'll be parked on the street
Wait, "most" (most than 50%) of cars are parked on the street in Europe? Bollocks. I guess max 15-20%.
Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by TeMPOraL on Friday November 03, 2023 @09:30AM (#38128453)
Unless there's been some EU-wide massive secret project to construct underground parkings under most existing buildings that I'm not aware of, then yeah, most. We don't really have US style suburbs, rural areas are a rounding error for this calculation, so that leaves us with urban areas. Garages in apartment buildings are a luxury, only some new developments have underground parking, so most cars stay either on building-adjacent open-air parking zones, or are parked on the street.
Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by 4gotunameagain on Friday November 03, 2023 @10:54AM (#38129742)
A claim which is very easy to gather information for.

Just open google maps, satellite view, and look into any major European city. Given the known ~70% urbanisation of the EU, it seems feasible. From my own, anecdotal experience, I would say way more than most cars are parked outside. Most of the times a block away. Some annoying times, much farther.

Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by skrunch on Friday November 03, 2023 @11:21AM (#38130154)
Page 72 here: https://publications.europa.eu/resource/cellar/2d5d968f-4f4c...

45-55% in most countries (France seems like an outlier), but even that is above 20%.

Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by michpoch on Saturday November 04, 2023 @07:49AM (#38140172)
The data is unfortunately not granular enough. It combines "reserved spots" and garages. A reserved spot could be an open parking lot with an assigned number. It doesn't help with the charging at all.

I'd guesstimate that the cars parked "american style" (in a private garage or on the driveway of the house) in Europe is < 10%. You really need to live in a small town or a village to find these setups.

Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by michpoch on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:05PM (#38132585)
Absolutely yes. Unless you live in a single-family house (which in the circle of my friends it'd be just one couple), or you live in one of the newest apartment blocks, you're definitely keeping your car on the street or on a parking lot in front of your building.

I can see a lot of articles / comments on various portals where the authors are explaining how easy is to use EVs - you charge it in your own garage over night and then drive to office or to do groceries. I can't overstate how unusual use-case it is.

Most people where I live (Switzerland) would never consider using a car to get to work. We walk / cycle / take a bus, tram or train. Same with groceries. The cars are on the street, you use it maybe once every week or two, to go skiing, move something large or go for a longer trip. Average yearly distance per car is ~13'000 km (~8'000 miles). Using an EV is really a huge huge hassle.