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Re:Why doctors in America earn so much by rqtwteye on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @03:47PM (#38103878)
"Doctors are expected to be able to catch nearly any disease in their specialty based on an honest consultation."

From my experience they don't. If you have any problem off the beaten path you may spend years and multiple doctors to figure out what's going on.

Re:Why doctors in America earn so much by anonymouskimmer on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @05:15PM (#38105401)
That makes more sense. I interpreted the "catch" quote to mean that doctors are expected to literally come down with any contagious disease within their specialty.
Re:Why doctors in America earn so much by Guvante on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @07:33PM (#38106913)
I agree that happens, my point is about the intersection of speciality and expected.

Aka it doesn't always happen but that is the goal.

Honestly disease diagnosis is the one area I could see AI being super helpful in which might lower this burden from extreme memorization to facilitating collecting data for analysis and being a guard on false positives.

Re:Why doctors in America earn so much by rqtwteye on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @09:51PM (#38107992)
Agree about AI. It would be way more patient and take its time to talk to the patient than doctors have these days.
Re:Why doctors in America earn so much by haldujai on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @11:57PM (#38108840)
AI has had the opposite effect on false positives. Statistically, most patients aren't (that) sick and don't have zebras.

Taking radiology as an example (because that's my specialty) ~90% of studies are normal and some types (e.g. CT for pulmonary embolism, CT for transient ischemic attack/vertigo) are closer to 98-99% normal.

Every diagnostic AI application I've seen implemented as of 2023 that merely replicates the work of a human has done nothing but increase false positives.

The extreme class imbalance makes this a non-trivial problem.

Re:Why doctors in America earn so much by SkyPuncher on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @08:58PM (#38107564)
I've heard a quip from my wife, "When you hear hoofbeats behind you, don't expect to see a zebra." Essentially, you need to know that booth horses and zebras make hoofbeats, but zebras are rare (in the US). It'd be foolish to look for a zebra until you've ruled out the possibility of a horse.

In fact, it even has a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_(medicine)