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Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by zaphar on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:12AM (#38086049)
I think possibly the worst place to learn and practice social skills is from other kids who are just as in the dark as you are.

In my experience a home schooled child is significantly more likely to be good at social skills than a public schooled child. They are also adept at navigating adult conversation and social situations much sooner.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by rootusrootus on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:21AM (#38086208)
My experience is exactly the opposite. Homeschooled kids frequently have to learn how to adult all at once, right as they get dumped into the pool with everyone else to go find a way to make a living.

The most successful kids that I see are the ones who have professional instructors by day and excellent support at home. Not one or the other, but both.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Turing_Machine on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:27AM (#38086313)
> Homeschooled kids frequently have to learn how to adult all at once

How does sitting in a room with a bunch of kids, all of whom are within one year of you in age, with an authority figure at the front telling you exactly what to do, teach you "how to adult"?

It might prepare you for Army boot camp, which is the only "adult" place you're likely to encounter that kind of environment. Even prison usually has a range of age groups.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by rootusrootus on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:48AM (#38086702)
> with an authority figure at the front telling you exactly what to do

This is not an accurate description of school. Maybe, maybe in high school and college you kinda sorta get to something resembling that, but for elementary school and middle school it is nothing at all like your description.

I'll grant you that 40-50 years ago it was a bit more regimented. I'm old too. But I have school age kids in both elementary and middle school, and I have a lot of experience in what their environment looks like. It's very dynamic, lots of hands-on learning opportunities.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by tivert on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @12:08PM (#38087030)
> This is not an accurate description of school. Maybe, maybe in high school and college you kinda sorta get to something resembling that, but for elementary school and middle school it is nothing at all like your description.

Elementary and middle school are even less like being an adult than high school

I think GP's point is that the school environment is nothing like "adulting," so your original point was just plain wrong.

And I agree with the GP: I don't see any reason why home-schooled kids would be at a disadvantage to public school kids when learning to navigate the adult world, because the school environment is strange and not at all focused on "adult life skills."

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Pinsy352 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @06:52PM (#38106504)
The main thing I struggled with (K-12 homeschool grad) was having no peer relationships that weren't filtered by my parents. Basically, I had a lot of experience with deferring to authority (my mom/teacher), but no experience choosing my own friends, navigating peer to peer conflict where a parent wasn't going to intervene at the slightest hint of disagreement, or establishing personal boundaries.

It actually made for a very unsafe college experience. I had no experience telling anyone no, or doubting anyone's intentions. It took being lured alone with a man to realize that he didn't want to study Calc I, he wanted to make sexual advances on me when I was alone. I was lucky to learn that lesson without getting sexually assaulted.

Took me another few years to realize that I didn't have to obey everything my boss said, even if it was personally detrimental to my career.

My mom, of course, would tell you how great it was that I wasn't socialized with "an unnatural collection of same aged peers" and how I was always "so polite around adults."

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Turing_Machine on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @05:33PM (#38091696)
> This is not an accurate description of school.

Hmm... so you're saying that students aren't segregated into artificial cohorts of a specific age, and there isn't an authority figure in the classroom telling them what to do?

Perhaps that's the case where you live (though I'm...skeptical), but it certainly is the case here and everywhere else I've ever lived.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by tivert on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @09:20AM (#38097829)
> Hmm... so you're saying that students aren't segregated into artificial cohorts of a specific age, and there isn't an authority figure in the classroom telling them what to do?

IIRC that sounds a bit like Montessori (done right), but that's uncommon generally and extremely uncommon in upper grades.

I wasn't even sure what an upper-grade Montessori program would look like, and I found this: https://amshq.org/About-Montessori/Inside-the-Montessori-Cla....

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by chasd00 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @03:43PM (#38090393)
"who have professional instructors by day"

what school age child has access to that? Maybe in the most selective and well funded private schools there's professional instructors put public school? No way.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by mcast on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @05:45PM (#38091852)
Probably school districts in close proximity to prestigious schools (Boston/Harvard) who can hire new grads who want to stay within the university bubble.
Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Loughla on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:16AM (#38086115)
My experience is the absolute opposite of yours. In all seriousness, there is a trend of homeschooled kids coming to the local large high school for the extracurriculars, and the school offering Autism testing, because they are so far behind socially.

I find it interesting that your experience is the opposite. Where in the world do you live?

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by zaphar on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:29AM (#38086354)
I've lived all over the country. I was homeschooled as well and have a number of friends who were.

Anecdotal evidence is going to vary certainly and effect is highly dependent on the parent. But I've been around homeschooling groups for over 30 years now and the balance of them have been significantly ahead of the public schooled.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Turing_Machine on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:30AM (#38086374)
> the school offering Autism testing, because they are so far behind socially.

Do you have any published evidence for this?

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by weeznerps on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:42AM (#38086587)
>They are also adept at navigating adult conversation and social situations much sooner.

And they are often worse at navigating interactions with children who are not homeschooled (at least I was). Specificity is king.

Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Pinsy352 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @06:56PM (#38106548)
Same here. And expecting us to just immediately make up the gap in college is... optimistic at best. Going from having your every interaction determined for you by your parents to being expected to arrange your own social calendar is a huge leap. And that assumes your parents actually let the leash slip at all in college. Mine certainly didn't let me stay in a dorm or stay after classes to socialize. Not if I wanted them to fill out my FAFSA, anyway.
Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by chasd00 on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @03:42PM (#38090371)
home school kids arent locked in a cage. There's all kinds of social engagement activities available to home schoolers, i would argue even more than public school. The social isolation rumor of home schoolers is totally unfounded in my experience. Maybe it was true 30 years ago but it's certainly not true for school age kids toay.
Re:Home schooling's rise from fringe to fastest-growing form... by Pinsy352 on Wednesday November 01, 2023 @07:02PM (#38106623)
This varies widely, and there just isn't any method for tracking kids whose parents DO isolate them, though. And it isn't just monstrously abusive parents who undersocialize. My mom loved me and made sure I got a good education, but she was a paranoid woman with chronic health conditions that made driving me to friends impossible for her. My dad just figured he was there to make the money and left educating and caring to the woman.

There was a stretch between 14 and 18 where I didn't see anyone other than my mom and dad. Oh, I made small talk to the grocery clerk once a week. Frankly, it was appalling emotional neglect, and my dad has apologized for not stepping up to fix it. My mom remains in denial that it was even a problem.

And meanwhile, anytime someone brings up homeschooling there's always a ton of people saying socialization can't possibly be a problem. Usually people who weren't homeschooled themselves, of course.