The age one is completely insane considering the amount of unchecked age discrimination that American employers engage in. We decided to fire Bob because he’s 51 and it’s cheaper to employ a 27 year old. Oh Bob, sorry, BTW your market place is now also $1500 a month.

Bob, however, did not have to pay for older people’s healthcare during the 1990s and 2000s.

Also, as an fyi, New York and Vermont do not allow age as a factor in pricing, and Massachusetts restricts the age rating factor to 2 instead of 3.

Everyone pays for everyone else’s healthcare, whether it be insurance pools, Medicaid, CHIPS, Medicare, etc. In America, we just do it in an especially dumb, cruel, and expensive way because it makes some assholes a lot of money.

We do it that way so “we” can have lower taxes.

We is in quotes because various demographics/political tribes want to pass the hot potato.

The beauty of the health insurance system is it allows you to deliver differing qualities of healthcare to different voter groups.

For example, high voter participation groups like old people can get Medicare that pays providers more and hence more providers are available. And Medicaid for poor people on the other end that pays much less and has stricter rules on prior authorizations. And you can give Senators healthcare that pays providers more than other federal employees, and so on and so forth.

I actually find it impressive in some sense.

No, we do it that way because both political parties are bought and sold by the assholes who run insurance companies. They use this corruption to impose a private tax on everyone. No one in the US is saving money. We spend more than most wealthy country for worst outcomes.

The insurance companies are not that powerful. Pharmaceutical companies are far more profitable, as are healthcare software, other tech, doctor groups, hospital groups, etc. You may want to look into liability laws and tort reform for other big reasons for why healthcare in the US costs a lot.

Do you work in the industry or something? Yes, all of for profit healthcare is a monstrosity that should be abolished. Everyone I’ve ever met knows the first part of that and it does not excuse how awful health insurance companies are or all the terrible things they’ve done, both past and present. Tort reform has been tried on the state level and it has no impact. It’s just a canard trotted out by those who are trying to keep the human suffering money pump pumping.

No, I am just looking at the numbers. Typically, businesses with a lot of power have high profit margins (who wouldn’t want to earn more money?).

If I had to chose between making more money off screwing over an unemployed middle aged person seeking medical treatment or less money not doing that, I would choose the latter. As would most people, because they’re not depraved.

That's not true at all. No need to speculate, insurance companies are real. In fact, you're complaining about the fact that most people have already chosen the former. Is the medical industry really filled with depraved individuals? I suspect you're looking at this differently than them, and I'm interested to know where you think that disconnect might be.

Most people don’t work in the health insurance industry…? But the management of health insurance companies are almost certainly filled with depraved individuals. They’re repeatedly caught engaging in all kinds of evil and deceptive tactics to deny people necessary treatments, including those in quite desperate circumstances. The lower-levels? Who knows. Like a lot of other human suffering industries in the US, they probably just compartmentalize it away or are steered away from thinking about by the c-suite sociopaths who run them.

As a generally healthy person it's very disappointing that catastrophic plans are only available for under 30s. [0] For me it makes the most financial sense to pay out of pocket for incidentals/annuals, but be covered for catastrophes e.g. get hit by a bus and wake up in a hospital.

What magical event happens to people at age 30 that led the legislators to ban catastrophic? Would love to see the actuarial data on that. I have no knowledge/evidence of the reasoning but to me it definitely smells like lobbying.

[0] https://www.healthcare.gov/choose-a-plan/catastrophic-health...

I imagine this was a political compromise to let politicians advertise the availability of low cost insurance plans for low earners like young people in jobs without health insurance so they were not hit with the tax penalty that used to exist for not having health insurance.

Over 30 is likelier to be making more money and in jobs that do subsidize health insurance so they are likelier to buy it. And since the whole scheme is actually a mechanism to tax, you cannot let everyone opt out of the tax.

Life insurance doesnt apply to obamacare mecs.

The comment I replied to specific medical insurance.

When governments restrict insurers underwriting criteria, they are providing a subsidy from one subset of the population to another. I think those are best accounted for as taxes and government benefits.

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It's pretty hard to hide cigarette usage (smell, color of teeth). Vaping is likely to be much easier to conceal though (does that count as "tobacco" though?)