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Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @08:42AM (#38083889)
“ In those circumstances if you want figures to present to the board in terms of ROI”

This sentence shouldn’t be associated with anything “non-profit”

Proving yet again that, unless you structure your organization differently than every other capitalist thing (which means you won’t get funding through traditional sources) then you’re just helping capital further entrench their positions of power

Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by IanCal on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:00AM (#38084143)
It makes perfect sense regardless of funding source.

You want to have some kind of impact, and you end up having to spending money to do that. You want the most impact and your funding is limited.

Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:22AM (#38084421)
"Return on investment" has nothing to do with spending
Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by IanCal on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:42AM (#38084683)
It absolutely can do. You're trying to force a very narrow view of a simple but broadly applicable concept.
Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @10:00AM (#38084942)
I'm suggesting that in the long run, any organization that is hierarchically "overseen" by humans with outsize power compared to the employees (aka a "Board" of special people that are better and smarter and more politically well placed than disposable employees), will inevitably exploit the structure for selfish gain with a probability of 1.

The STRUCTURE is wrong is the point.

The entire concept is built around would-be-aristocrats (Board) coercing the management and employees into allocating property (Money) based on their whim with no accountability or democratic function. It is built to exploit.

Instead they should organize as a non-stock cooperative so that is effectively impossible to exploit. That's the actual answer.

Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by Oakwhisper on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:10AM (#38084273)
But you should want an ROI as a non-profit. If you spend $1000 on advertising to get people to write their Senator to help push for/against a bill, you want to make sure you're spending it on the most effective way. If it gets spent on mail ads and no one calls, then that is largely a waste of money (regardless of funding model and org structure). If you don't have a measure, you can't really know if money is being wasted. You can guess and have a gut feel, but not scientific, actionable data to change how the org is working to best further the non-profit's cause.

Maybe you can call it something else, but for a non-profit ROI is just answering the question "Are we spending our money wisely?

Or were you referring to the non-profit having a board?

Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by kortilla on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:17AM (#38084368)
Yes, you absolutely want a board and accountability on how the money is spent.
Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by AndrewKemendo on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @09:42AM (#38084676)
I trust a non-profit "board" about as much as a slave court judge

https://www.joangarry.com/dysfunctional-boards/

Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by Zanni on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @10:18AM (#38085245)
A board (no need for scare quotes) is a legal requirement for tax exempt (501c3) status. And not sure what point you're making with the linked article which is about (relatively mild) board dysfunction, not scamming or illegal behavior.
Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by anonymouskimmer on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:36AM (#38086473)
Presumably the board could be made of every single employee of the non-profit (perhaps with varying voting power depending on factors such as seniority or experience)?
Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by JohnFen on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @10:40AM (#38085572)
"ROI" just means "return on investment". It doesn't automatically mean that return is monetary. A nonprofit getting results in terms of accomplishing their purpose is getting good ROI.
Re:German court declares Do Not Track to be legally binding by jampekka on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @11:27AM (#38086307)
Most definitions of ROI refer to monetary return. That's why it's typically a percentage.

Using concepts like ROI for non-profit operations is one of the signs how everything is made to emulate business.