Re:Ivan Illich: A Forgotten Prophet Whose Time Has Come (2021)
by pas on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:47PM
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One argument is that we simply replaced the archaic (religion-focused) dogma with a modern (consumerist, individualist, hyperpoliticized) one, but their function is the same, to serve as complex death denial rituals.
Re:Ivan Illich: A Forgotten Prophet Whose Time Has Come (2021)
by thfuran on Monday October 30, 2023 @04:12PM
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That doesn't sound likely to be a compelling argument.
Re:Ivan Illich: A Forgotten Prophet Whose Time Has Come (2021)
by pas on Tuesday October 31, 2023 @06:04AM
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Hm, consider it the flaw of my botched paraphrasing/summarizing/application of it, and maybe give it another chance in a better form:
https://www.philosophizethis.org/podcast/episode-158-the-cre... (the URL is misleading, it's about Ernest Becker's ideas, there's a transcript too ... if for some reason that link doesn't work, you can listen to it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-43zh_za_eQ )
Re:Ivan Illich: A Forgotten Prophet Whose Time Has Come (2021)
by ceasefire on Monday October 30, 2023 @07:09PM
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Possibility remains that adverse conditions are not being masked by psychological devices, rather that these conditions are conducive to heightened spirituality (which may be present in varying degree in all humans).
one big support for this is the fact that many saints came from affluent backgrounds and chose the device of asceticism ("harsh life", "corporal despair", "terminal denial of certain pleasures", "dying to earthly life") to heighten their experience of spiritual communion and worship.
one big support for this is the gradual decline of religiosity in areas of the world where life is improving. conflated, of course, with the hegemonistic aspect of organized religion.