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Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by ThinkBeat on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:10AM (#38057792)
It is sad that such a gender discriminatory law is passed. In this day and age for the state to base mandatory requirements on gender is unfortunate.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by acadapter on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:35AM (#38057976)
Some of my colleagues discuss politics sometimes, and I have tried to discuss things like these.

I am stunned by the lack of interest to discuss male issues with the same kind of enthusiasm that women have when discussing women's issues.

Very few seem to be interested in even acknowledging that we men on average have a worse attitude to the concept of risk. I have tried to use a non-political topic such as extreme sports (just to try to carry the topic in a different way), with very few constructive discussions.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by SanderNL on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:12AM (#38057814)
I agree, such blatant discrimination. I fully expect the feminist garde to be on the streets protesting this awful move.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by deely3 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:45AM (#38058057)
> According to the Journal of Exercise Physiology, women generally produce about two-thirds the amount of total strength and applied force that men produce.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by diath on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:47AM (#38058076)
Wars are not a matter of physical strength, being biologically weaker wouldn't prevent a woman from, say, operating a drone.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by deely3 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @01:02PM (#38060492)
Agree. But we have to keep this limitation in mind. There could be situations where you have to carry a drone or batteries from place to place for example.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by SanderNL on Sunday October 29, 2023 @01:40PM (#38060857)
Sure, we use a couple of Hanks for that. Sherley and Melinda will catch the bullets just fine.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by ThinkBeat on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:25PM (#38061732)
If you are sitting in a air condition office in Germany operating drones, it doesn't matter much.

In a war, if you are anywhere near the frontline physical strength is of vital importance.

In the most basic form, can you pick up a fallen soldier and carry that soldier out of harm's way?

However, I know many women who are far stronger than me, and would be more useful in the frontline than me.

Gender is not the only factor.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by SanderNL on Sunday October 29, 2023 @01:39PM (#38060840)
So with suitable technology we should have our womens’ armies ready to march in no time. Can’t wait. Gender neutrality is a worthy and lofty goal.

I hear they are better communicators too. I see no downsides.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by bradlys on Sunday October 29, 2023 @01:48PM (#38060921)
Women are also harder to hit targets - and women can operate most guns quite easily.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by Jensson on Sunday October 29, 2023 @04:00PM (#38062127)
> and women can operate most guns quite easily.

No they can't, assault rifles are made for a male build and strength, women have significantly harder time using them. I was in the military and the women had a really hard time passing the basic tests for assault rifles since they had shorter arms and weaker upper body strength.

Can women do it with training? Yes, but basically every man can do it without training, I've seen it myself. And if those women doesn't keep up that strength as civilians they wont be able to use the assault rifle properly if they need to.

Edit: As for being smaller, being able to wear body armor is more important. Level 3 body armor is standard for combat situations and that is heavy, ammunition is also very heavy. Typical combat gear is about 20-30kg in total, that is heavy even for men and untrained men get significantly slower from it but they can still operate. That is for a basic infantryman with just combat equipment, no food or anything, that is the minimum to fight.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by PredictorX1 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:30AM (#38057945)
One would think that, if the situation were this dire, women would also be conscripted.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by benj111 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:24AM (#38057899)
Yes, I can sort of understand an existing law staying in place because of inertia, but introducing a new law in this day an age just seems weird.

You are literally asking men to pay more towards the state (in time) than women.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by Ekaros on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:45AM (#38058051)
With retirement ages being the same, but women living longer they are in reality asked to pay more in time as of part of total... Men are hugely discriminated. And no one is protecting their rights...
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by codedokode on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:00AM (#38058180)
In Russia the retirement age for women is 5 years lower despite women having a longer expectation of life than men.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by benj111 on Sunday October 29, 2023 @10:07AM (#38058794)
You could argue that an equal retirement age is equality though.

Otherwise anyone with a health condition that shortens their life span could argue that they should be able to retire earlier.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by zajio1am on Sunday October 29, 2023 @08:44AM (#38058046)
Even if we disregard the gender discrimination aspect, the draft is the most blatant violation of human rights present in (some) developed countries.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by kledru on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:19AM (#38058346)
how should a country under existential threat defend itself if military training of male population hurts someone's feelings?
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by oytis on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:30AM (#38058444)
Existential threat is pretty hypothetical at the moment. There was no reason so far to have doubts on deterring capacity of NATO Article 21.

During peacetime my answer would be by increasing military spending and attracting more people to military careers and voluntary reserve. During wartime everything goes of course - it's still should be non-discriminatory though.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by acadapter on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:29AM (#38058430)
Firefighters defend against fire, doing a regular job for a wage, employed under circumstances based on consent.

We need to stop this ritualization of the work that the military does. It is, after all, just a type of work.

Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by MrDrMcCoy on Sunday October 29, 2023 @01:41PM (#38060867)
I would say that the "mental conditioning" and strict disciplinary system of the military is unique among lines of employment.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by xboxnolifes on Sunday October 29, 2023 @03:43PM (#38061942)
Even more reason that it shouldn't be mandatory.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by unmole on Sunday October 29, 2023 @10:45AM (#38059081)
If a country can't find enough young men and women willing to take up arms in its defence, it has already lost.
Re:Latvia to start conscripting men for mandatory military s... by nec4b on Sunday October 29, 2023 @12:35PM (#38060198)
Who would you defend in not you children and wives?