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Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by jlmorton on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:43PM (#38041546)
No need to ban it, but I'm happy to support a carbon tax on aviation equivalent to the current market cost of CCS, so something like $200/t.

So, for instance, Elon Musk's private jet is estimated to have emitted 2,112 tons in 2022. Elon would have to pay a $400,000 carbon tax.

Ideally these taxes would flow through fuel, but that presents some challenges, since planes can re-fuel in jurisdictions without those taxes, although that's certainly harder to do in the United States. I think in the US, it might be hard enough to do that that just taxing the aviation fuel is fine.

Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by thechao on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:36PM (#38042197)
I like this idea — I think we should tax consumer fuel based on its CCS; so, about 2$/gallon. I don't think that'd happen any time soon...
Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by SoftTalker on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:53PM (#38041677)
The only problem is that all the fuel used in all of private aviation is a drop in the bucket of total carbon emissions. It's not low-hanging fruit. It's not really fruit at all.
Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by aschobel on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:17PM (#38041984)
There is no safe dose of lead. Ideally, I wouldn't want to spread any lead during my run-ups.
Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by SoftTalker on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:48PM (#38042360)
Yes, but I was commenting about the idea of a "carbon tax" on aviation fuel.

Now a lead tax might be something to think about if the non-leaded fuel costs more for some reason, lead being more of a concern than carbon in this instance. Tax the lead to make it the more expensive option.

Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by mrwaffle on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:54PM (#38041685)
Sorry but please read up on how much lead is dumped over neighborhoods near airports. Children have lead levels near reported Flint levels.
Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by jlmorton on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:21PM (#38042022)
That is the issue at hand in this story, but not really the comment I was replying to (at least primarily).

Leaded avgas is coming from piston-engine aircraft, and I don't think that was really what OP was talking about when commenting about the people flying private aircraft while publicly demanding people stop driving pickup trucks.

For leaded gas, we can simply ban the leaded gas, as the cost of performance in piston-engine aircraft. I'm not really an expert, but at a first glance I see no particularly compelling reason not to do it, so I'm not opposed to that at all.

Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by briandear on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:30PM (#38042117)
Re:EPA moves towards banning leaded aviation gas by lp0_on_fire on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:26PM (#38042077)
Carbon is either a pollutant, or it's not. It's either good to put into the atmosphere, or it's not. All you can hope with a carbon tax is to shift the problem around without really accomplishing anything.