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Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by KMag on Friday October 27, 2023 @12:59PM (#38040980)
My wife has a pending green card application. I'm sympathetic to would-be immigrants, but...

The Declaration of Independence declares it self-evident that people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that the purpose of governments is to secure these rights, subject to the consent of the governed.

Unless I'm misreading it, the Declaration of Independence doesn't directly mention freedom of speech.

Also, presumably these tools are being used to prioritize applicants based on a benefit/risk assessment. If the purpose isn't to deny entry as a form of punishment, then freedom of speech presumably wouldn't come into the picture. Intent matters. Prioritization isn't necessarily punishment.

Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by turquoisevar on Friday October 27, 2023 @01:25PM (#38041317)
Freedom of speech would squarely fall within the “liberty” clause of that declaration.
Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by KMag on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:25PM (#38042059)
Agreed. Thank you.
Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by lamontcg on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:38PM (#38042946)
"Pursuit of Happiness" might also apply to immigration to the US and in some cases so would the "Life" clause.
Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by zht on Friday October 27, 2023 @02:27PM (#38042082)
I hate this kind of reasoning. It comes up a lot

“My wife is a would-be immigrant so I am sympathetic”

Or sometimes

“My partner is half X So I understand discrimination against X”

Or even sometimes

“I am in category Y so there’s no way I can hate people in category Y”

I don’t think that line of reasoning makes sense. People often times carve out mental exemptions for people close to them that they care about, not for everyone in the same category. Further more, it is totally possible to love a person but not every quality about them. Also just because you are close to someone doesn’t mean you understand entirely their struggles

Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by cko on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:20PM (#38042711)
What would you call this? Inverse ad hominem?
Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by KMag on Friday October 27, 2023 @03:43PM (#38042992)
I intentionally didn't draw a causative link between my wife being a would-be immigrant and my being sympathetic. It's supporting evidence, not a causal relation.

It's preemptive defense against inevitable knee-jerk "you're anti-immigrant" ad hominem attacks. I wish I didn't feel the need to preempt such diversions, but that's the world in which we live.

Re:US immigration enforcement used AI-powered tool to scan p... by fennecbutt on Sunday October 29, 2023 @09:20PM (#38064635)
Yeah as a gay dude I see this frequently in peeps "I used to hate gays until I found out my daughter was a lesbian". Sure it's nice for people to realise they were wrong, but it would sure be swell to skip all of the hate in between, for everyone involved.